voyager goes on voyage

[standing still]

Come on, voyager. I'm speaking to myself as much as to anyone.

If this is what causes a meltdown, then there was nothing to melt.

Come on, folks, get in the game - let me have it!

Pal

[Katie]

I don't get it.

Get in what game?

Let you have what?

[standing still]

Katie, I am obviously triggering several in this forum. Read all the post from my thread. Voyager says the site is heading for a meltdown as a result of my presence. I'm simply asking for people to get in my face with whatever criticism they have, and that way I can learn from them and visa versa.

Pal

I don't get it.

Get in what game?

Let you have what?

[Voyager]

I don't get it.

Get in what game?

Let you have what?
He's simply trying to provoke a doctrinal debate. Just look at the taunting title of this thread. He wants me to put my spiritual boxing gloves on and fight him over doctrinal issues. A year ago I may have jumped right in the ring with him, but I've had enough of that nonsense. It never accomplishes anything except a meltdown of the forum and hurt feelings.

I don't have any problem with what people believe. It's when they try to force those beliefs on others when it crosses the line. Stating "I should do this or that" is fine. Stating "You should do this or that" is not fine - unless I specifically ask for spiritual guidance, which I have not.

I have absolutely no tolerance for people who want to tell me how I should live based on their personal religious beliefs. If they want to argue and debate about it, they will have to find another gullible sucker to drag into it - because it ain't gonna be me.

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[Janice]

He's simply trying to provoke a doctrinal debate. Just look at the taunting title of this thread. He wants me to put my spiritual boxing gloves on and fight him over doctrinal issues. A year ago I may have jumped right in the ring with him, but I've had enough of that nonsense. It never accomplishes anything except a meltdown of the forum and hurt feelings.

I don't have any problem with what people believe. It's when they try to force those beliefs on others when it crosses the line. Stating "I should do this or that" is fine. Stating "You should do this or that" is not fine - unless I specifically ask for spiritual guidance, which I have not.

I have absolutely no tolerance for people who want to tell me how I should live based on their personal religious beliefs. If they want to argue and debate about it, they will have to find another gullible sucker to drag into it - because it ain't gonna be me.

:cool:



I agree Voyager. These "attention seekers" come and go. They seem to go much quicker when we simply stop responding to their posts. Like I said earlier, I've found if I ignore something long enough, it goes away. THIS TOO SHALL PASS. Simply don't respond. :D

[dwilliams]

...while I hold absolutely no emotional or logical view on this discussion...not understanding where it started and not interested in where it goes from here, I felt the need to post anyway... Hope y'all forgive my intrusion... :)



Janice said:
"I've found if I ignore something long enough, it goes away."

Has anyone ever had a mosquitoe land on you, but rather than swat it, you allow it to do its business and fly off?
I've always found that its better to swat the pest as soon as possible...if left too long, it has a nasty tendency of leaving a stingy, itchy welt that doesn't go away for several days...

...Janice...sorry for taking your words out of context like that. :)

[Voyager]

Has anyone ever had a mosquitoe land on you, but rather than swat it, you allow it to do its business and fly off?
I've always found that its better to swat the pest as soon as possible...if left too long, it has a nasty tendency of leaving a stingy, itchy welt that doesn't go away for several days...


I have done my share of swatting someone who verbally attacked me - and it just seems to provoke more of the same. On the other hand, ignoring a verbal attack tends to defuse it. So, maybe in this instance, pressing the "ignore button" is the appropriate response? A mosquito bite is a physical attack, not a verbal one. I'm sure that Janice would not encourage anyone to ignore a physical attack.

:cool:

[Voyager]

I have done my share of swatting someone who verbally attacked me...
Just to clarify - I didn't mean a physical swatting - I meant a verbal "swatting".

:cool:

[dwilliams]

:)

I see your point...

:)

[standing still]

Voyager and others,

Why is it when I posted a request for forgiveness by an insensitivity I may have had, and related that I was speaking to myself as well as anybody else did you not post?

However, you led a charge of posts that included redicule and labeling as a "mosquito" that either needed to be ignored or killed as a pest.

If I offended you I am very sorry. As I said on other posts, (and I would recommend you read all my posts starting fron the beginning and encouage others to do the same), we can't see each other's facial or body language. Therefore, it is easy to read something into the messages that is not there.

To clarify, I was not asking you to put on your "boxing gloves". That is your misread perception. What I was saying was let's hang it out there, flesh it out, and learn from each other.

I can assure you that whatever story you can relate regarding spritual abuse I can match it unless it is that of sexual/spiritual abuse. I can only empathize, but not put myself in the place of those who have experienced such.

However, I will say that if what Vanvonderan relates, that is, if the effects of the abuse carries with it the same symtoms as incest, I can relate that incest must be awful because I have never experienced the filth, dirt, and immobilization that I have encountered as a result of this experience.

I have lost my family, my wife discredits Vanvonderan's work, as does the church that victimized me, and I'm now moving into a shelter within the next two days. I have no car, no money, and no food.

I am writing from the library.

So, for those who are so quick to judge, judge not lest you.....

Get the picture.

Further, regardless of what others might say I do not like the mask we use on these forums to hide behind.

That's why I leave my name and phone. (Don't know how long my cell will stay on.)

Having said that, for any who might be wondering: If you don't hear from me again it will not be because I went away because I was ignored. It will be because I have no resource with which to communicate.

Best,
Pal Madden
706.372.5302

[Satscout]

That's why I leave my name and phone. (Don't know how long my cell will stay on.)

:( Do you have/can you get a prepaid phone?

Having said that, for any who might be wondering: If you don't hear from me again it will not be because I went away because I was ignored. It will be because I have no resource with which to communicate.

Thank God for libraries.

Courage...

Sharon

[Voyager]

I have lost my family, my wife discredits Vanvonderan's work, as does the church that victimized me, and I'm now moving into a shelter within the next two days. I have no car, no money, and no food.
Well why didn't you say so instead of trying to give us all answers to our problems? It sounds like you need to find a few answers yourself. Maybe if you took off the counselor hat and became one of us, we could all become the supportive shoulder that you need? You don't have to prove anything to us Pal. We are all hurting just like you, and no one has all the answers.

I would say "I forgive you" but you really haven't done anything requiring forgiveness. We have all stuck our foot in our mouth around here from time to time.

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[Patty]

This is all very sad, what you are going through. It has reminded me just how horribly destructive "religion" can be. Just when I think I am doing OK and am removed from the abuse, a post like yours reiterates just how awful and shattering this is and how painful it has been in my own life. I longed for someone to talk to, to help me. But I was too ashamed and embarrassed at what I had fallen for.
Forums like these didn't exist then. I am glad you decided to open up about the very deep sorrow in your life. I think sharing and reading will be helpful and hopeful to you. You are certainly not alone.