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beginagainrose
05-15-2009, 07:26 AM
I recently posted a thread about finally overcoming my pastor's abuse in that I no longer found myself reacting in pain or anger nor even the lingering sadness that is one of the final stages of grief.

Then a couple of weeks ago, I stumbled across a site called audiosermon.com and found over a hundred sermons by my SA pastor. As I looked at the dates, I realized one particular sermon was preached just days after I had emailed my pastor (2 yrs ago) asking for a meeting to discuss what happened for the purpose of moving toward forgiveness and reconcilliation, which he had declined. (You may recall my posting about this some time back; I had gone to the National Day of Prayer breakfast after he refused and found he had been chosen as the pastor for the city that was to read a public apology for all people the pastors of our city had ever wounded or offended! so, in effect, God made him apologize to my face anyway!)

So, of course, I listen to the sermon. It was a sermon on Nehemiah rebuilding the wall and Sennacarib's letter inviting him to come down for a meeting. He said, "I just got an email like that this week"... and then, though he did not mention me my name railed against me and his refusing to "bury the hatchet". It was beyond overwhelming. It was worse than any of the tiraids against me from the pupit during our abuse while we were still allowed to attend. He was actually ranting furiously and shouted "No WAY, baby!" he said it took a courageous leader to say no, that there was something sinister about the invitation; perhaps even a threat on his life (that was done to me NOT him!). He said his enemy was a slandering liar and had made up things in his own head and that people should not believe anything they heard, In fact, it was all just gossip. He said there was a false prophetess involved trying to use fear to intimate him. (He did that with the police dept against me!) and he said, the letter was just a scam... like emails we get on the internet, but that there was more at stake than personal safety: Vengence belongs to God and if people say they are without sin (they told us that after all they had done: "How have we sinned?), that person is calling God a liar! (He just did!)

I sat sobbing and stunned as I finished listening and am only now able to post about this. There is no defending against public ridicule... not to mention this was 2 yrs ago now. I did take good notes... my one comfort is...so did the Lord. But the biggest pain and disappointment was that I found myself NOT over it!

We are scheduled to leave this city the first week of June... should be interesting to see what that feels like!

simka2
05-15-2009, 07:50 AM
I am so sorry!!!!! That is aweful and painful! Reading that I think our pastors could have been twins! It is interesting that he was "made" to apologize...which probly infuriated even more and he had to be even harsher so you or anyone else he told about the email didn't get the wrong idea :)

I just get mad at times...I don't understand why we allow shepherds that eat and devour their own sheep to continue to do so. I do realize that God see's and know's...but that point of seperating out what is of God and what is not is almost scary...makes you wonder how many pastors and churches have missed it?

I'm excited that you get to leave...we moved away and it was very helpful. It gave me a sense of being able to start over a little wiser...I still grieve the innocent hopeful young woman I was...but I'm begining to like who I am becoming now.

Keep us posted as to how moving goes!!!!!

JaniceB
05-15-2009, 09:14 AM
You leave the first week of June? Yes! You need to get away from that place and really start to heal. There's idiots in WA too and you'll run into them but you'll be stronger and won't fall into their claws as easily this time.

beginagainrose
05-15-2009, 09:21 AM
Thanks, Simka! It is amazing that anyone would still "follow" these guys, huh?! I forgot one major part of the story. On this pastor's website, he stopped putting a link to his direct email after I had emailed a request to meet with him. SO, I sent a 2nd email detailing all the conduct I was forgiving him for... sent as an open letter to his admin. assist office mgr. to pass on to him! SO, AFTER that huge rant that Sunday, she got my 2nd email of details... bet that was fun to deal with on the "grapevine". I am just realizing that God used me to get the 'rebuttal" of truth out there AFTER his rant and I am just finding out about it 2 years later! WHAT an awesome God He is! He was fighting for me even then!:cool:

SueJean
05-15-2009, 02:11 PM
I recently posted a thread about finally overcoming my pastor's abuse in that I no longer found myself reacting in pain or anger nor even the lingering sadness that is one of the final stages of grief.

Then a couple of weeks ago, I stumbled across a site called audiosermon.com and found over a hundred sermons by my SA pastor. As I looked at the dates, I realized one particular sermon was preached just days after I had emailed my pastor (2 yrs ago) asking for a meeting to discuss what happened for the purpose of moving toward forgiveness and reconcilliation, which he had declined. (You may recall my posting about this some time back; I had gone to the National Day of Prayer breakfast after he refused and found he had been chosen as the pastor for the city that was to read a public apology for all people the pastors of our city had ever wounded or offended! so, in effect, God made him apologize to my face anyway!)

So, of course, I listen to the sermon. It was a sermon on Nehemiah rebuilding the wall and Sennacarib's letter inviting him to come down for a meeting. He said, "I just got an email like that this week"... and then, though he did not mention me my name railed against me and his refusing to "bury the hatchet". It was beyond overwhelming. It was worse than any of the tiraids against me from the pupit during our abuse while we were still allowed to attend. He was actually ranting furiously and shouted "No WAY, baby!" he said it took a courageous leader to say no, that there was something sinister about the invitation; perhaps even a threat on his life (that was done to me NOT him!). He said his enemy was a slandering liar and had made up things in his own head and that people should not believe anything they heard, In fact, it was all just gossip. He said there was a false prophetess involved trying to use fear to intimate him. (He did that with the police dept against me!) and he said, the letter was just a scam... like emails we get on the internet, but that there was more at stake than personal safety: Vengence belongs to God and if people say they are without sin (they told us that after all they had done: "How have we sinned?), that person is calling God a liar! (He just did!)

I sat sobbing and stunned as I finished listening and am only now able to post about this. There is no defending against public ridicule... not to mention this was 2 yrs ago now. I did take good notes... my one comfort is...so did the Lord. But the biggest pain and disappointment was that I found myself NOT over it!

We are scheduled to leave this city the first week of June... should be interesting to see what that feels like!
Oh my dear dear lady! I feel sooo badly that this happened...that you heard what this...this male said. Ohhhhh, I just want to hug you and make it all go away. Just me talking...wanting to fix things. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that my heart goes out to you. Hugs a bunch.

beginagainrose
05-15-2009, 02:19 PM
JB... Looking forward to meeting you soon! Will keep ya posted...

Sue... What a dear soul you are! We have all suffered and that is why I could not stay away. People that understand are such a gift...thank you... glad you liked my prayer too!:)

beginagainrose
05-15-2009, 02:25 PM
P.S. JB... I already met some of those e-gits in Snohomish area...another church, no less... pastor ran me off when he found out I was writing a book about the mess here in Modesto... turns out he was having an affair with the prayer leader... no wonder he wanted me to disappear! Hard to believe anything could be worse than here... oh.... just a bit longer and I'm there! YEAH!

Jerry
05-15-2009, 03:55 PM
. But the biggest pain and disappointment was that I found myself NOT over it!

Dear Rose,,,,
We don't ever "Get Over It" what we do is resolve it....I am not sure I would want to get over it,because I really like the way I am now,,,,,,,,,,a whole lot smarter ;)

Love Jerry

beginagainrose
05-15-2009, 04:28 PM
Ya know, Jerry, that is a really great point. I have been thinking the last few days that the fact that he compared my open email to his office manager like the "unsealed letter of Sennacarib" was because he was trying to do damage control. Then days later when I wrote about the truth of the wiretaping, murder for hire scheme and death threats finally being known; he had already said, I was "making up stuff up in my head". He must have thought that I was back and so I might "tell the secrets"! Right after I listened the other day to that sermon from two years ago, I went back and re-read that email...and I was amazed at how much courage was in my words...and that I sent it! Three days later is when the first Modesto Police Dept detective buddy of pastor's showed up across the street from my son's house.. and I was out of here (Modesto) 3 days later. I was so terrified... just like this last several months. BUT, after they showed up a couple of weeks ago and I faced off with them, now when I see a police car there is no fear... I just said yesterday that now I am glad God brought me back here. BIG things have been accomplished here. I AM way alot , alot more smarter!... and courageous! Strong and courageous... just like Joshua... just waiting for those new walls of "Jericho" he has rebuilt to fall down too... now that you mention it... for the first time... I am giving myself permission not to ever get over it. It was like chasing the elusive butterfly... a mirage...and alwalys just out of reach. I think I am having a moment here... God bless you, Jerry...yet again.:)