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Voyager
01-24-2009, 09:32 AM
I remember back in late 1998 when I first left the abusive church that I attended for 12 years. When I first got away from there, my life had been turned upside down. Here I was away from everything that I was taught was "God's will". I felt unsafe, unsure, and scared. I was scared of "the world" and worried about being overtaken by the devil. I felt like I needed to get back under "the covering" so I started searching for a new church. Nothing seemed to fit so I went unchurched. Then I found this forum.

When I first came to this forum it was around the year 2000 and the forum was still over at spiritualabuse.com and was ran by Jeff VanVonderan. At first I felt like I had really found a safe place to heal. I was among people who had been spiritually abused, and they understood what I was going through. However, I found out that there could also be a dark side to hanging out with ex-spiritual abuse victims: re-traumatization.

I found that whenever someone would blast me with a condemning religious attack of some kind I would go into a hyper-stress mode and begin re-experiencing the loss of my former church family. This defensive mode was concerned about one thing: protecting me from more loss, rejection, and abandonment. I'm sure that when this protective mode would kick in I would come across as mean and uncompassionate to say the least. When your mind kicks into its survival mode, it can become very defensive and selfish.

I really had no idea at the time what was even happening. All I knew was that sometimes this place would turn into a big Bible-bashing free-for-all and people would walk away wounded, and many of them never returned. This would happen time after time after time. I never saw it coming. Someone would attack me or someone else with a Bible verse, and the theological debate would begin.

Looking back it is clear to see why many of us would get triggered when someone would use a condemning Bible verse on us. The loss of our church families was directly connected to religious condemnation and rejection. When we saw this happening again, our subconscious would throw red flags up warning us of the impending attack on our soul, and we would instinctively pick up our spiritual weapons and start battling - many times without even realizing what we were doing.

A little over a year ago I left this forum, and I just recently came back and started posting. During my absence I got away from religious debates entirely. I did not subject myself to anyone who might preach at me during that time, and consequently I did not get triggered into my religious-attack defense mode at all. This helped me heal and recover without having the wounds re-opened again and again. I found that it was very refreshing not to have to defend myself at every turn.

I didn't realize that I was experiencing re-traumatization until a few months ago when Amy (Willow) asked me, "Are you sure you want to chance being re-traumatized again?" It was like a light bulb went off in my mind and I finally could see what was happening. Every time I would begin defending myself against someone using the Bible against me I would experience the traumatic loss of my church family all over again. This was a huge turning point for me, and I am really thankful that she brought it to my attention.

When you get triggered by something after experiencing a trauma, you have a brief moment to decide whether to react or not. In the past I didn't even know what was going on when this would happen, so I would just react. When this triggering would happen I would get angry and become very defensive. Now I realize that it was my mind preparing itself to fight off the impending damaging forces of rejection, loss, and abandonment that it assumed were headed my way. I felt like I was fighting for my very life, so I probably wasn't in a very friendly mood when this would happen.

Since Willow said that to me, I find myself taking a moment to think about what I am getting ready to say (or write in this case) when someone uses religious criticism against me. It put me in control over the triggering process, and has allowed me to re-think what I want to say before I write anything. It has given me the ability to see the person who is 'attacking' me as someone just like me who doesn't want to hurt anyone. They are hurt and wounded just like me, and they too might be reacting out of their pain.

If I can be a part of this forum without reacting to people when they use the Bible against me, I can learn to overcome re-experiencing trauma. I'm not asking you to preach to me so I can test my resolve in this area. I'm just saying that I see things differently now. I don't see people who preach to me as enemies that are out to hurt me anymore. That allows me to drop my defensive guard and treat them with compassion and understanding.

Has anyone else experienced this type of re-traumatization? If so, how do you deal with it?

P.S. - Thanks Amy! ;)

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Willow
01-24-2009, 09:52 AM
(((((((((((((Voyager)))))))))))))
How cool is that??? I am feeling quite like a bump on a log today. This really helps me. Thanks for letting me know I said something to help!

Hope 98
01-24-2009, 10:40 AM
I don't really know how, but very recently in my life I found a safe and grounded place within myself.

I have a "secular" counselor and a pastor with whom I have something he calls "spiritual direction", and both of them acknowledged a significant visible change in me. I guess it would be most closely related to my self-image or self-esteem.

I feel a lot less inclination to be re-traumatized, less threatened by what people say or believe about who I am.

Both the counselor & pastor see the recent change as the result of a lot of work over a long period of time. I appreciate their validation.

I guess we all have unique ways of experiencing recovery and different goals in the process. Retreating to safety at certain times is probably exactly the right thing to do.

A lot of us have left and returned over time, some with announcements and some without. Overall - the number of people who have returned time and again is probably a significant testimony to the value of this forum to people who are in need of healing.

Healing is a process that rarely, if ever, goes steadily forward and upward. I pray that we all have grace with ourselves and each other when we hit the set backs.

outcast
01-24-2009, 12:49 PM
Way to go Voyager. I can identify with what you have shared and yes I can say that I have experienced retraumatization in the past few years both on the forum and off. I think you have taken a major step in recognizing what you are experiencing and trying to deal with it in a more rational way. That takes alot of courage.

I just want you to know that your posts have never made me uncomfortable and I think that you try to share things in a respectful, considerate sort of way. You have often made me think and I am glad you chose to come back to the forum. :)

Jerry
01-24-2009, 11:29 PM
If I can be a part of this forum without reacting to people when they use the Bible against me, I can learn to overcome re-experiencing trauma. I'm not asking you to preach to me so I can test my resolve in this area. I'm just saying that I see things differently now. I don't see people who preach to me as enemies that are out to hurt me anymore. That allows me to drop my defensive guard and treat them with compassion and understanding.

Has anyone else experienced this type of re-traumatization? If so, how do you deal with it?


Dear Voyager,,,
When we have experienced abuse,I think we sometimes tend to become "Hyper Vigilant" .Scripture should never be used "against" anyone,that was never Gods intent.....When it is used "against" it is "Scripture Twisting" pure and simple......In the "Great Commission" Christ DID NOT say ,,,,,,Go yee into all the world,,,nagging them into submission. ;)

Love Jerry

Gayle
01-25-2009, 02:30 AM
Has anyone else experienced this type of re-traumatization? If so, how do you deal with it?

That is a good post Voyager,

Yes. This has been how my weekend of processing last week went. It took a while for me to realize what happened - a few hours, sometimes it can take a few days......at times I felt dizzy and had "out of body" experiences as in my mind seems to see things from outside my body (if that makes sense). Sometimes my mind went numb, blank and I have to sit on my hands to get grounded. A state of shock. I think I'm at a place now where my mind is trying to understand what is happening more than trying to block - trying to put pieces together such as "why is this happening?" "this has happened before, but where" - kind of like that and putting images that come up to words or thoughts if possible - daring to look at the faces, hearing what they say and searching anything in the images that will give me clues to where I was, what was said/done and what I felt at the time. And if I get to the end of the memory I can sometimes ask "what happened this time that is similar to what happened back then?" forgiving...letting go, etc. its just a really long painful process sometimes finding what is truth.......isn't real tidy. It can't be pushed and prodded. It has to happen in one's own time. Gayle

riverdove
01-25-2009, 08:12 PM
Voyager, this is an excellent post. Thanks so much for sharing.

Reg
01-26-2009, 08:00 AM
Glad to see you back John. Also to see how you have grown and continue on your path of recovery. I know how it feels for me when I make breakthroughs. It's so refreshing to take back control of more of your life and mature in the process.

Looking back it is clear to see why many of us would get triggered when someone would use a condemning Bible verse on us.

Good point John.

Scripture should especially be used here for the purpose of comfort and healing. We are to support each other in this effort.

Here is a thread we talked about this. As I posted...........

"Ro 15:4 For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.

It was written for our learning and comfort. It was written out of love from our Creator for the purpose of giving us hope for the future.

It was given to us to edity. Our lives and the abuses we experienced taught us patience giving us valuable experience. Patient endurance of trial produces experience. It is through this experience coupled with the comfort of the scriptures that give us HOPE. This precious commodity is what our abusers tried to sabotage."

Why "bible thumping" is abusive
http://www.christianrecovery.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7988&highlight=comfort+scriptures

JaniceB
01-26-2009, 01:45 PM
Has anyone else experienced this type of re-traumatization? If so, how do you deal with it?

For sure I experience it not infrequently enough. You sure told it like it is.

I deal with it by letting myself get mad and then thinking things through. Considering the source of my pain helps but that's hard if you're in the midst of shame. It's easy to blame yourself at that point or get mad at the person who aroused the shame without seeing what's really happening.

I'm glad you're back, Voyager.

Voyager
01-26-2009, 08:41 PM
For sure I experience it not infrequently enough. You sure told it like it is.

I deal with it by letting myself get mad and then thinking things through. Considering the source of my pain helps but that's hard if you're in the midst of shame. It's easy to blame yourself at that point or get mad at the person who aroused the shame without seeing what's really happening.

I'm glad you're back, Voyager.

That sounds like a very healthy way of dealing with it. Thanks for sharing that.

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dougjb
01-27-2009, 12:45 PM
Hi Voyager,

I can really identify with what you have said on your thread. I have attacked by the religious pit bulls so many times that its mind numbing. There were times when condemnation and rejection was the norm and not the exception. One thing I did was reflect on the people did the attacking and began to see common denominators or patterns with these people. I noticed that they were proud, egotistical and insecure in whom they were as individuals. Also, in order to cover up their own serious shorts comings, they would go on the offensive by attacking others. I am curious. Have you reflected on the behavior patterns of these spiritual pit bulls and have you seen any common denominators or patterns?

dougjb
some food for thought