International House of Prayer

[angel885]

Does anyone know about the International House of Prayer? I knew a few young people that were involved with this.

[Jerry]

Can I get a "Western Omelet" with extra cheese ????? :D

[Reg]

Can I get a "Western Omelet" with extra cheese ????? :D
Jerry,

That's the International House of Pancakes. :D

Maybe it's the same place? ;)

[Hope 98]

Timing is everything...

I checked Wikipedia and it states that :
In 1999, the International House of Prayer announced its twenty four hour a day schedule four months after signing a lease for a 200 seat building close to the church.

The International House of Prayer in Kansas City now has over 400 staff members and 700 Forerunner School of Ministry students.[I thought the name sounded familiar - I was part of a prayer group about that time and they wanted to follow that pattern.

I don't know about this particular group - I know that the group I was part of was something of a disappointment.

[ex-shep]

Off hand by the sound of it, I doubt I could recccomend it. I was in a group with a similar name. Usually such venues are militant oneness pentecostal groups with positive confessionalism thrown in for good measure. First reading runs up a caution flag for me. Admittedly anecdotal at best, still I would proceed with caution.

[Lamisa]

I am familiar with the International House of Prayer and my previous group is very involved with their ministry. So, I don't know a lot of intimate details about the ministry specifically, but I can tell you that any ministry that partners with my old churches and doesn't within say ... 6 months... realize that the ministry is an abusive cult, well, I don't recommend it.

i don't recommend any organization that willingly and publicly works with my old group. So, personally, I think it is probably not very healthy.

Also, i do know that they rely heavily on what they now call "prophetic worship" and personally I do believe strongly in the gifts, BUT when churches come to a point of using the prophetic to run their organization and having no accountability and DO NOT test these "prophetic Words" it can get pretty funky pretty quick.


My observation: WARNING WARNING WARNING CONTROL and Unbalanced Doctrine ahead.

And when you have untested prophecy going on I think you all know what comes next: abuse of authority.

[Spiny Norman]

I have a small amount of understanding of IHOP. I'm from Australia and was formerly an elder in a pentecostal church (AOG) here where some IHOP influences became apparent.

I would counsel some caution re: IHOP. My personal reaction to their teachings was that I was spiritually disturbed, to a degree where (after doing some research on IHOP online) I eventually took a decision to put my concerns in writing to my pastor.

If you wish to PM me, I would be happy to provide you with a copy of that letter for your own consideration and reflection. I would also be happy to direct you to some online resources that I personally found helpful in articulating exactly what it is about IHOP that disturbed my spirit.

[ex-shep]

I thought my suspicions were correct. I used to hear it in a predominant Afro American pentecostal denomination. I starting to wonder if anyone at the bible school, which had a Latter Rain origin, had some tie ins. It is rather curious.

[hornblower]

I am familiar with the International House of Prayer and my previous group is very involved with their ministry. So, I don't know a lot of intimate details about the ministry specifically, but I can tell you that any ministry that partners with my old churches and doesn't within say ... 6 months... realize that the ministry is an abusive cult, well, I don't recommend it.

i don't recommend any organization that willingly and publicly works with my old group. So, personally, I think it is probably not very healthy.

Also, i do know that they rely heavily on what they now call "prophetic worship" and personally I do believe strongly in the gifts, BUT when churches come to a point of using the prophetic to run their organization and having no accountability and DO NOT test these "prophetic Words" it can get pretty funky pretty quick.


My observation: WARNING WARNING WARNING CONTROL and Unbalanced Doctrine ahead.

And when you have untested prophecy going on I think you all know what comes next: abuse of authority.



Lamisa forgive me if Im stepping on anyones toes........I dont know why I am saying this except its all so scary for me to even venture in this direction at all. You are welcome to answer this to me personally via private message or answer this on here doesnt matter to me but how does one 'test' the prophesy of a so called prophetic message? I know what the word says but practially what is it that you do? I have been very very hurt doing this.

Ive never brought this up here..........I guess because I dont know where to go with it............this stuff bothers me a lot.
The reason it does is that I dont have any 'gifts' any more. I will always believe in them.......its hard for me not too since Jesus appeared to me in a vision when I came back to Him thirty years ago. It seems this topic scares people on here. I am sorry if it does Im simply trying to work through some mammoth stuff that has happened to me. Im crying now just thinking of it.

From the very beginning I had 'visions'. I know that most people will say I am insane but I know Im not. I do not have manic depression because I dont ever have any mania............Im not manic about anything never have been not in my estimation anyway.

I dont base my walk with Jesus on the gifts as I know it can always be a deceving thing and somewhat I think I may have at times been deceived I dont know if I have or not.
To me the test of prophesy is if it comes true? But then you have to wait for that to happen dont you? So how on earth can you test it. Then in the mouth of two or three a thing is so called true? But what if that happened and it was still shot down..........???????????

Heres what happened to me.
Oh its so long.
You know it doesnt matter to me if I am a prophet or not I could care less. I was simply trying to do what I thought I heard God tell me to do and He did bring everything to pass that He told me too no doubt about that so I know it was Him.
Im scared.
I want to talk about this stuff. Im so fowled up now. Its so hard to trust God

Ill tell you my vision that I had in this church I was going too. I saw a bride in her wedding dress...........the back of the wedding dress had buttons all the way down it, those pretty buttons you know the ones that are covered in satiunn and look like tiny balls?
God said to me............as the dress began to open all the way down the back, and of course you know what I thought I was going to see?

But to my surprise it was a lions tale................and He said "I have told you that you are the head not the tail!"

I knew exactly what this vision meant and if I could have only been up there I could have explained it to everyone and I know it would have blessed others as it did me.

It was like this.........God was saying to me quit acting like you have it all together and that stuff isnt getting you down, dont pretend that you are spiritual or anything else, Gods got you covered...........via the wedding dress..........even if you became transparent and told everyone what really si going on in your life it wouldnt matter at all because the instant you are truthful about your circumstances you will be like a lion! Jesus is the Lion of Judah! In Him we are strong! Not because of who we are or what we do but because of who He is and what He has done for us...........take off the masks and stop pretending to be what you are not and become who you are ................didnt I say to you.........that you are not the tail but the head? I have brought you up to where I am and I am God......I am your head! I can think and act for you and on your behalf.


I believe that God was saying this because at this church people were hiding their pain so much and it was breaking them down. I believe that they thought that since they had the gifts of the spirit they must have done something right or had to always do everything so RIGHT, but thats not it at all..........none of us ever do everything right, its God that enjoys giving such things to us for our blessing just because He loves us.
All He wants from us is for us to be His children.

More and more learning was what we were always doing there rules on top of rules on top of rules trying to be so right all of the time it was so bad that nobody could talk about what was really happening they wrere all to afraid of the authorities.

Sonme big whigs in the congregation thought this type of vision was innappropritate which wehn you think about it is exactly the point of the vision anyway.

I was told by the principal of the school there (my boss)to stop seeing my visions or when I did see them to change them! This was sent down to him to do to me from the elders of which he was one....and the pastor,do you know what else ? He told me what he also saw............he saw a lions tale like the one in the wizard of Oz exactly what I saw too but he wouldnt tell them!
I refused all of them, the elders, everyone...........it was terrifying for me.


But I won sort of..........the pastor wanted to literally destroy me he was so angry with me for not obeying him. What was I to do? For me it was like obey God or man?

What was so bad was that morning I had to give this prophesy I also had to reveal a mans guilt of molesting a little girl that he had lived with in a family that had helped him get off of the streets because he was so poor...............unbeknown to them he was a child molester.

Many prophets in this church had come over and prayed openly for this man to be healed and always I knew something was not right.........I had helped him taking him places and often to prayer meetings.

Then he finally confessed what he had done to me.

It was so unbelievably traumatic for me after what I had gone through with my own daughter.


I received no help whatsoever from anyone during this time.......they were all embarasse that the whole thing had come out and of course it didnt they didnt even procesute him at all they all hated me for bringing it out.

Once again another cover up.

I would like to hear what you think?

This is what I think........I think my relationship with God was the only real thing happening there.............all I ever wanted to do for anyone is bring healing and love from God to them I had no other agenda going on at all.

Believe it or not this is not where my biggy happened...........not for me......I died a little each time I went through these type of things but to me I always blamed myself.

My biggy came at this last church where that pastor said to me NO! You're no prophet and I happily agreed with him thinking as i always did something is always wrong with me nobody else...............

so I ask you what is the truth?

Its kind of hurtful when someone tells you that the things that are happening to you are prophetic then they set you up to be one and then they tear you to shreds for being what they told you to be????????????????????

[hornblower]

I thought my suspicions were correct. I used to hear it in a predominant Afro American pentecostal denomination. I starting to wonder if anyone at the bible school, which had a Latter Rain origin, had some tie ins. It is rather curious.


What is the latter rain?

[Jerry]

What is the latter rain?

Hebrew Idiom = Wisdom of maturity and or life experience :D

Love Jerry

[hornblower]

Hebrew Idiom = Wisdom of maturity and or life experience :D

Love Jerry

I dont know about wisdom but I sure got that experience part!

[ex-shep]

What is the latter rain?
The short version: a group of pentecostals from the late 40's twisted the King James rendering of Latter Rain to mean an outporing of God's holy spirit. It is great scripture twist allowing a group to establish a new world order to bring in the second coming. Problem is that is completely knocks out God's will. It is a mix of gnosticism and positive confessionalism.

In context Latter Rain means nothing more than the rains which facilitate harvest. In Israel, the latter or fall rains are being referenced. That is also the downside of taking a King James only bent.

[Jerry]

The short version: a group of pentecostals from the late 40's twisted the King James rendering of Latter Rain to mean an outporing of God's holy spirit. It is great scripture twist allowing a group to establish a new world order to bring in the second coming. Problem is that is completely knocks out God's will. It is a mix of gnosticism and positive confessionalism.

In context Latter Rain means nothing more than the rains which facilitate harvest. In Israel, the latter or fall rains are being referenced. That is also the downside of taking a King James only bent.

Good take on that all too common scripture twist :D

[ex-shep]

Good take on that all too common scripture twist :D

Considering I was lacking sleep, that was not bad. Still recovering from move. Well worth it though.

[JohnTheMethodist]

Hey Hornblower,

I found your post when searching on google, and I felt led to respond. I, myself, believe in spiritual gifts, and feel that I, ocassionally, hear prophetic words. However, I am still learning how to hear and understand God's voice.

As far as testing goes, as far as I know, testing has to do with people praying over, and listening to God as to whether or not a certain word is from God. A prophet is supposed to give his/her word to the congregation, then the whole body of Christ is supposed to discern if the word is from God. The testing is more of a discerning process, aimed at determining the accuracy/validity of the word given. Most Christians do some sort of discerning already when praying for God's guidance in a certain matter. This is the same, it's just a different matter that the body is trying to discern.

I loved the word that you gave in your post, that seems to me like a genuine word of God. From what I've been taught and my own experience, most prophetic words are not foretelling future events, but are instead forthtelling (speaking forth) a word of God to the people (or person) of God. The word you gave in your post is exactly a word of God for the people of God. So, again, testing has to do more with discerning whether the word is from God, or is from the cold pizza I ate this morning.

I am sorry that you had a bad experience with the church/school you were at. It sounds like they needed to hear that particular word you received. My friend told me recently, that it is not the job of the prophet to make people hear the word that was received, but that God has placed people in authority over us, and God asks us to respect said authority (assuming the authority figure is not abusing their power). My friend said that it is the job of the prophet to receive the word that God gives, and to deliver it to the pastor for the pastor's choosing what to do with it. If the pastor is following the Biblical mandate of testing words of prophecy, then he/she will hopefully take the word to a team (or dare I say, committee), who can pray over the word to decide if it should be spoken or not. If the pastor is not obedient, that's his/her problem, but your job is to obey God with what He calls you to do.

That's my two cents, and I felt God wanted me to post back to you because I don't believe that God wants you to walk away from His calling for you. So, now I'm just trying to be obedient.

God bless, and keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

John