Jeremiah 23

[FedUP]

I am new here, so not at all certain what people's experiences or views are regarding spiritual abuse, no doubt it comes in many forms. The form I have experienced came into my life by way of weak willed pastors who seemed fearful of sticking to God's word and instead adopted a more 'amiable' approach which, in the end did me much harm and gave a pat on the head to fellow Christians who had done the wrong in the first place. After my experiences, which also did my marriage in, I could not help but latch on to Jeremiah 23 as that passage surely describes the state with which I find most churches and frankly pastors I have encounterred over just the past few years. I'd rather have dealt with a man trying to rob me at gun point than to have be so deceived and hurt by those who I thought were Christians, but turned out to be nothing but monsters. We seem to have lost the ability in the churches to be critical of bad behaviour, even incorrectly using scripture to negate being critical, and then it becomes like a cancer. Look at the moral state of many churches today. While some might be feeding the poor, and working miracles in the streets, I have been in churches doing these works and yet from the pulpits these same 'miracle' workers give heed and credence to many other forms of perversion, adultery, disorder in marriage etc; usually using words that make them sound more like politicians or even old school leftist revolutionaries or something, but certainly not handlers of God's word. It all adds up to what God called rebellion. Forgiveness is warranted, however, even Jesus has described how to handle church discipline in Matthew 18:15-17, but I see no churches or anyone frankly, following it because they are caught up in a misunderstanding of Christian forgiveness. Paul had a man kicked out of the church for his behaviour. Instead today, what I see is enabling of sinful behaviour among church members and the untold harm it does and is doing to other people.

[FedUP]

Is it appropriate for the man or woman who punches you in the face to then quote to you the scripture that says 'turn the other cheek'? Or to call for forgiveness when no one has even yet pointed out the sin in the first place?That is just a microcosm example of the type of spiritual abuse I have gone through. I also had my own wife, steal from me the house I got for us in order to put up another man into it, and then our pastor saying, well why do you assume there is anything going on between them? He actually chastised me for even being upset. Then after not hearing from this woman for 1 1/2 years(still married) she shows up in a court case and testifies against me, and virtually everything she said was lies. Adding insult to it, she claimed Christ from the witness stand and even called the man living in what was to be our house, her 'brother-in-Christ', telling the Judge 'God bless you' as she stepped down from the stand. I have essentially lost my own children in the process, and have been a good father to them. This is not the description of Christians but devils, just as we have been warned in scripture that Satan will have his ministers in the church as well. And believe you me, if you don't know it already, they are there and at an ever increasing quantity. Many times today, those who would insist on sticking to God's exact word are branded as hateful unforgiving religious zealots by those in the church itself, and this is wrong. I became quite distraught in my life during this so I sought out one of these same pastors for counsel and he ignored me. Could have cared less, just told me to 'move on'. Then I found out he was speaking with the woman who called herself my wife, without me knowing it 'confidentially' as he called it. To this day, now going on 3 years later, I feel compelled to call this pastor or show up at his Calvary Chapel church in Ohio and confront him about it all.

[psalm55]

Sorry to be so cynical, but I have yet to find anyone in the church that calls sin for what it is. For years now it has been beautified, accepted, glorified, honored and rewarded.

I too had a marriage torn to shreds because my husband 'shared' with everyone but me. But everyone blames me for the problems that now exist and completely honor, revere and protect him.

Added to that, my parents helped him in his adultery and at least one of my parents was proud of doing so. She has changed her tune now, she claims not to know him.

[mary]

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Welcome here, dear FedUP. I'm so sorry for the circumstances that have brought you here, for they sound absolutely horrendous. As you're trying to apply God's real word, of course, those who don't believe in it will oppose you... But we have John 16 & 17, where we're prayed for by Jesus Himself, warned that we will be opposed, and then told that because He has overcome the world, so will we... The kind of evil you describe will not triumph in the end.

Just when I think I've heard the worst, I hear something worse. I think my own situation was bad, the pits, etc. - but then I read your posts...

Yikes.

As I posted in someone's thread awhile back, it seems to me as though the modern-day church has become like the world, only "the world gone bad." There's more of civility in "the world" today, I think, than there is in most "Christian churches." What a horrible state of affairs, what terrible times we're living in.

The hateful, unforgiving, religious zealots to whom you refer are those in the pulpits and those opposing you, not you yourself. Woe to them! (Isaiah 5:20-21.)

Someone whose job it was to stink up a pulpit every Sunday tried to bust up my marriage and almost succeeded... I really don't know what's going on these days with so many of those who slither rather than walk in positions of authority in churches these days.

You bet Satan has his ministers in the churches in these last days... I, too, was denied the benefits of Matthew 18:15-17 by a minister himself, and so were many here. These people will pay for what they've done.

Confrontation... I've dreamed about it, but in my case, there was an attorney involved and so I can't. Others here have other opinions and experiences with confrontation...

I leave you with John 14:27 tonight, FedUP, and assure you that you'll be put on my prayer list forthwith.

mary

[FedUP]

Thank you for the kind replies. I rarely talk about it. I have almost come to the point that I can't talk about it. Pent up. I find that I can't trust anymore. It has made me angry at God also. I lost my first son 20 yrs ago he died at 15 months old. Was electrocuted at home while I was at work., and now my 2 children whom I love and have been a good father to are essentially being permitted to more or less taken from me, or more specificallt from me being able to be the father I have been. The lies that were told in court by my wife were apparently believed. It seems like this won't ever end and these people won't stop until I am either dead or in prison or something. I can't escape them. People who are supposed to have some wisdom and discernment such as Judges and Pastors etc, all seem to readily believe and even befriend these people and yet they tossed me to the side. I am not Job, I wasn't able to last like he did. I started to realize that it was God's supposed people themselves who were causing me the most harm in my life and so I began to see God in that light as well and now I don't think He wants me either frankly. I got too angry with Him I suppose.. It seems like I cannot make a single move in my life without some trepidation that something else is going to happen, because it has been constantly. Just doesn't seem like it will stop and I don't get it. My little sons are being ruined and from the looks of it, if it keeps going, by the time they are in their teens they are going to be very troubled and yet the court is either blind, or doesn't care. The double edged affect this court has had has also made me feel that I will have to back away from seeing my boys for some time and then their mother can convince them , see? I told you your father doesn't love you. This is what she has already been doing. It will be a problem for me any choice I amke and any direction I go in. God has stated he creates some just for destruction like he did with Pharoah, and I cannot help but feel sometimes I am one like that also. He says he owns everything in and on the Earth and can do as He wishes with it, and no doubt it is true and I am experiencing it firsthand on all fronts in my life. I just cannot stomach being around or in churches anymore. I don't trust any of them. Whatever happened to men and women loving each other and just happily living in marriages as God has told us to? Now it's all this feminist stuff in churches, my own pastor right while counseling my wife and I looked right at me and told me he didn't feel it was all that important for a woman to respect her husband. In those exact words and right when he knew she had another man in our home and I had no choice but to stay with a relative 50 miles away heartsick and not understanding what was happening to me or my marriage. She wouldn't even show up for counseling and wouldn't tell me so I'd be waiting at the church like an idiot, but even that the pastor seemed to think was not much problem. It was as though he had everything backwards. In his eyes I was apparently the one who was a failure of some sort. He more or less told me that and inferred I shouldn't be married. I didn't even know what to say to this guy I was so dumbstruck. Now as it stands, I cannot even be a father anymore like I have been for all the time with my sons, so I am left with nothing and may lose my house I just got while the others have gotten help from churches and welfare etc. My wife was lazy, wouldn't work, went and signed up for welfare without my knowledge a few weeks before I left to go finish some work in another town 50 miles from our home, and then she told me she didn't want me back over the phone while I was gone. Wewe hadsn't even argued so I didn't even know there was a problemShe couldn't keep her welfare with my income so I couldn't go back anyway. Then within weeks she moves another man whom she has known for years, into our home. And this pastor knowing all this at every turn said he wasn't sure if he believed me or not. I'm tired of it and just can't deal with these Pastors anymore because he isn't the only one I have had the mispleasure of dealing with on that level.

[FedUP]

Another thing that is very confusing to me and was used alot to me by this pastor and others is this, the same people doing the dirty sutf in this were also the same ones telling me it must be God's will, since the very fact that all this was happening then surely it was God's will. We all know God has His will in all things, but people don't seem to understand that things AGAINST His will do go on, if they didn't there'd be no such thing as sin because we'd all be doing what He wants. But these guys including my wife while she was commiting adultery all used those sorts of scriptures. Scripture can be used inappropriately for a particular situation and I have to believe it was used that way alot towards me by these folks. It was their very use of it or the way they used it that actually began to create a feeling in me of resentment towards God. I am not sure in which Bible book I have seen it, but somewhere Paul speaks of the way believers act being the very reason why the world hates God. They teach against adultery, stealing, lying etc but they then themselves do those very things. They say they know scripture so well they could lead a blind man to God and yet they are themselves blind. I paraphrase but that is the gist and general wording I remember reading in one of Paul's writings. It is as though these professed Christians in my life played the devil's advocates to rip me to pieces and then used scripture to validate their behaviour and actions. I never felt more hurt and confused in my life while it was all happening. Absolutely crushed and dumbstruck.

[Jerry]

Dear Fedup,,,,
There is a reason for hope in all of this ....This may be hard to get your mind around because you are in such upheaval but you can trust it.Just let the woman talk as far as your sons go.Kids are just not that stupid.It is a very hard thing to do I know.The more she attempts to poison the kids against you,the more she poisons her own well.....If you just be the best father you can be,without cross words against their mother,,,,those boys will end up with Dad,even if it takes some time ;) I'll pray that you have wisdom and peace
Love Jerry

[Willow]

Dear FedUP, Do you have legal counsel? It seems to me (from what you have shared here) you have suffered from a case of slander. If the things testified in court about you were not true... that is a SERIOUS legal offense. Just thinking out loud and offering suggestions without knowing anything really about your situation....

[mary]

FedUP, Amy's right... Have you an attorney? I have a feeling that you're outside of the continental U. S.; am I right? Here, in the metropolitan area in which I live, there are fathers' advocacy groups that provide free legal representation to men in your situation. They fight these feminist lawyers on behalf of fathers whose rights are being trampled on. I would hope and pray that something like that is available to you where you live.

That pastor is crazy and evil. You're absolutely right that husbands and wives belong together and the marital relationship is not to be interfered with. God gave those boys to you to raise, not some other man. :eek: You need to be with them; that was His design. So you mount an offensive against whoever would thwart your efforts to be with your sons. Whoever does that is acting contrary to God's will and His plan for you and your boys.

If you're in the U. S. or Canada, there are ways to fight what's being done to you... The first thing you are is one of Christ's own; then you're a husband; then you're a father. If the second one is not under your control anymore, then you're left with the other two, and those must be pursued relentlessly. (Particular churches and particular pastors patently don't matter, especially, it appears, in your circumstances.) You stand up as one of Christ's own and you stand up for raising YOUR children (who are really His; they're yours to raise, however) as you see fit. Being personally, constantly present in their lives!!!!!!!! A godly, earthly father is priceless. You honor your Heavenly Father and you fulfill His plans for your own life in every action that you take on behalf of maintaining your presence in your sons' lives. You do not take a second seat to ANYONE in that area.

Again, I pray for you, dear FedUP... We're all praying for you...

In our Lord Jesus Christ,

mary

[FedUP]

It would take me 10 pages to describe the whole thing here, but I will condense it. I have already gone to court and had filed for custody of my sons and had a huge amount of evidence. I just got a decision this past week after a nearly 2 year process and even with all the evidence, the court decided to let their mother keep them. I can't tell you everything, it's just too much info, but suffice it to say even another attorney I know, knowing the case, was shocked at the decision. The magistrate in her decision report shows an extreme amount of bias and even uses reasons against me that were never even brought up as evidence against me while in the court room, so that was confusing, like where'd she come up with that? I am, in the end, in worse shape than I was beforehand and have been left very vulnerable to false allegations from their mother, which is why I say I am going to have to back away, which is what she wanted in the first place. My oldest son has been ruined, he actually is starting to help his mother to say I did this or did that, so I cannot take any more chances at being around with them like I had done all their lives up to this point. I even had a court appointed psychologist who interviewed their mother and I separately, then the boys with her then with me and the boys by themselves and he recommended I have custody and this magistrate essentially blew off his recommendations.

[mary]

How heartbreaking! :( :( :(

Surely there were some issues preserved for appeal of the decision to the next appropriate level of adjudication, such as the admission of what should have been inadmissible evidence. A party must have access to all of the evidence that will be used against him in a proceeding that will determine his rights, and if he doesn't, then that trier of fact, i.e., the magistrate here, has made an error that should not be allowed to stand. The court rules and the rules of evidence in just about every jurisdiction that I know of provide for this, family court proceedings included.

If I were you, I would not give up. Being a mother rather than a father, it's hard for me to put myself in your shoes, but I do have the benefit of a couple of decades in a career spent in the legal field and have done a lot of advocacy research and writing of pleadings and briefs. I'm not supposed to give legal advice, and I don't know if you're "up" for any more fighting at this point, but please, FedUP, don't give up.

God bless you...

mary

[FedUP]

It's funny you mention about having to present evidence while in the courtroom so those accused can defend themselves. It truly feels as though there were things going on or being spoken about to or by this magistrate that I am not aware of. I wish you could have been a fly on the wall during the proceedings because I had a wealth of evidence in my favor and at the end, the other attorney and their mother did not even present a rebuttal case because she had blown up on the stand and called my attorney a 'bi**h' right in front of the magistrate, and her attorney more or less gave up that last day and said , "I have no further questions" so the mother left the stand without presenting the exhibits she had carried to the stand with her. But it meant nothing. Then afterward, the magistrate interviewed the boys and in her decision she stated they are old enough to decide(at 7 and 9?) where they will live and they should stay with their mother, even though the psychologist whom the court itself appointed said in his report they are not old enough to decide, and that they are likely in this case simply siding with their mother out of fear, and recommended I be granted custody. It was as though this magistrate sees herself as an expert in psychology in addition to being an attorney, which is what a magistrate essentially is. A magistrate as I have learned is not a judge, but simply an attorney who oversees proceedings like this. My attorney is going to appeal to the judge over this magistrate. There was no evidence brought by the other side that I ever speak derogatorily against the mother, and I don't as I have always been careful to never ever do that especially in front of our children, and yet there was evidence presented that the mother does do this, including the fact she sort of corroborated her attitudes when she blew up and cursed on the stand, yet in her decision, the magistrate stated that BOTH parents speak derogatorily against each other. Where did that come from? That was not even evidenced against me. This magistrate had her own cell phone ringing incessantly while in court, she permitted the opposing attorney to yell and talk out of turn while testimony was being given, the magistrate essentially overrode and ignored the court appointed psych's recommendations, and accused me in her decision report of doing things that investigators including the court psych had stated there was no basis for. How does that happen? It was as though this magistrate had her mind made up beforehand and I and my att. were just going through the motions wasting our time. The magistrate's decision report is horrendous, she essentially made it out like I am a bad father and need to be watched and didn't even mention or tie together hardly any of my evidence. The magistrate has left me in a very vulnerable position because their mother is want to make false allegations against me whenever she gets mad at me, and even though investigators have all stated any accusations against me are completely baseless, including the court psych, this magistrate turned all that back around and said she feels that I may have done something. How can this happen? It makes me wonder who these people are, as though I am dealing with people from another planet or something. Very stunning and sickening all at same time. I have never been through anything this bizarre in my life and as I say, it surely feels like there was something going on behind the scenes I do not know about. But even if there was, I can't prove it. The magistrate sure did seemed very biased however and everyone who has read this report of hers is stunned at it. While my att is indeed going to put an appeal together for the judge this week, I am by this point skeptical. I feel like these people, magistrate, judge et al all know each other and this judge prob won't do a thing to change anything. Like I am wasting my time, and in this case another $6,000 and feel like I am being destroyed by these people just for being a good dad. My att. was telling me the other day she thinks the other attorney himself is probably surprised by the magistrates decision. Felt like he had given up on his client that last day in court 7 months ago and now this magistrate comes out with such a horrendous decision as though the mother is a ok and I need to be watched? huh? How did that happen?

[FedUP]

When the 'law' in a nation itself becomes lawless and when the people take pride in their law with no regard to justice, let there be no doubt God will judge that nation as well as it's priests, judges, officials and people. Even aside from my own personal case and dealings with these dark hearted people who lack discernment, I feel as if I am watching the moral disintegration of my country. Good seems to be taken as evil and evil as good. Those who lie are accepted as telling the truth and those who speak the truth are considerred liars, and this same thing is taking place in the church as well.

Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

[psalm55]

what about the 'law' of adultery and denial, the liars who spin for riches, what about the law of 'rejection' and slander.

i'm not a veteran of any war but what the church waged against me, but if a veteran of war comes home, has flashbacks and nightmares, is it ethical to use sounds, stories, jokes...that trigger his flahsbacks if there is money in it for you?

is a man no longer obligated to deal with his wife when she approaches him, because no-one will get a reward?

terrible what was done to the man whose pastor encouraged and enabled adultery. disgusting and a disgrace to the kingdom of God.

but what about the sister who is called to go outside where someone is waiting to kill her...for profit?
what about the daughter who is raped because her husband doesn't know how to talk to her?
what about the worker who is the butt of every joke because the pastors wife sends her sexual propositions in anonymous email?

how do we heal her and encourage her so she can stand and be who God created her to be? or is the money so important that her life, heart, soul and mind no longer matter?

isn't that how the muslim world treats israel?

[FedUP]

Good questions and that such terrible things are happening psalms55, seemingly more and more often being perpetrated by those who are also in the church, is disgraceful and to me anyway, a bit frightening. Jesus warned us that some would actually murder us and think/say they are doing God's will(I can't remember the passage but Jesus did say this) so if nothing else, I am at least reminded that hey, if people even within the church at some point might actually kill and claim God's will in the matter, then all this other stuff, lying etc is nothing. That is one thing I have had to remind myself of in order to diminish any sense of real surprise in the future when those who claim Christ willfully do harm to others in the church.

[psalm55]

so why does the church condone what a husband does to his wife while they condemn her for not knowing there was a game on?
and what if the lie is a husband who fakes his death in order to marry his mistress, because he never learned how to communicate
with his wife?

[FedUP]

Good grief, now I've heard it all. He faked his death to marry his mistress? What a sick and depraved mind it must take to go to that length to cover up ones adultery.

[psalm55]

someone had told him that i said a death is easier to get over than divorce.
divorce is messy, generally speaking harm and pain is involved but if your spouse dies there is a different grief process, loyalties are not divided, there is a finality. in my first long term relationship, he found someone else and the years i had given to his education were to be someone else's gain,

so now #2 and it is the same story only this guy went to the pastor, the very young daughter offered or was offered and they began the task of ousting me. too difficult to have talked to me first.

i dont' know. i'm tired. incredibly so, after discovering the various roles people have had.

[mary]

Oh, my! - :eek: - to both of you, FedUP and Psalm55!!!!

Just got back from an afternoon & evening out... Will respond to the substantive issues when less sleepy...

'Night now; talk to you later... I have some feedback, but I want to get my brain working again... zzzzzzz...

May the peace of the Lord be with you...

mary

[psalm55]

It's cool, y'know. That's how it is, the husband has a unique way of dealing with things. I dont' think he meant to hurt me as deeply as has happened, but I dont' think he realized what he was doing and how much of what i said was taken out of context.

more and more i feel like david but i wasn't coveting someone else's spouse.

anyway. i've been told there is not going to be justice in my situation, so i'm coming to terms with accepting what is.

[Jerry]

Dear Fedup,,,,
There is a reason for hope in all of this ....This may be hard to get your mind around because you are in such upheaval but you can trust it.Just let the woman talk as far as your sons go.Kids are just not that stupid.It is a very hard thing to do I know.The more she attempts to poison the kids against you,the more she poisons her own well.....If you just be the best father you can be,without cross words against their mother,,,,those boys will end up with Dad,even if it takes some time ;) I'll pray that you have wisdom and peace
Love Jerry

After reading subsequent posts,I would add that while I stand on this post as far as emotional interaction with the kids,,,,,,,,,don't be afraid to "Bare Knuckle" it with this woman in court .

[FedUP]

Court is already over Jerry. I brought a wealth of evidence against her to court. The court even appointed a psychologist to interview me by myself, her by herself, me with our children interacting, her doing the same, and the children by themselves and the court appointed psychologist recommended that I be given custody. What does this activist Magistrate do in the 7 month period she took to finally come through with her decision? She blows off the psych's recommendations as well as doesn't even mention all my evidence, and then takes it upon herself to essentially think she is the expert in psychology and turns the whole thing on its head and basically attacks me in her decision report. While court was in session she would allow her own cell phone to ring incessantly, a magistrate! lol sheesh. In the end she did me alot of harm in her report and left me very vulnerable to further false allegations. Basically gave my childrens' mother the green light to keep on violating court orders, keep on making allegations whenever she is upset with me and keep on alienating my sons from me. Whole thing was a sham and this magistrate apparently had already had her mind made up before the case even began. I know this much, I am not finished fighting for my sons at this point. My own attorney who is very expeienced even felt as though this was the worst decision she had ever seen based on the amount of evidence against the defendant, coupled with the very psychologist this court appointed recommending I receive custody of my sons, and then this rent a judge throws it all out. The other side didn't even present a rebuttal case because the mother blew up on the stand all yelled at my attorney calling her a 'b***h" so the other att. essentially gave up, and now this decision by the magistrate as though none of that happened or even matterred. What the heck?? Remember, a magistrate is nothing more than an attorney, they are not a Judge nor are they qualified as such. Yet this one apparently thinks she is not only a judge, but also a child psychologist. Whole thing is not only disheartening but very insulting. There was so much more that went on with this thing, even the mother still violating court orders DURING the court process and this magistrate does nothing? I won't go into it all because it'd take 10 pages, just suffice it to say it is quite obvious this magistrate was essentially acting in an activist role instead of following what she should have.

[FedUP]

I apologize ladies. I only saw Jerry's reply on page 3 of this thread. No doubt psalm55, you still have that same question I do rolling around in your heart, why did they do this to me? I did nothing but love them and in my case, go broke still doing for them even after my wife had moved another man into our home--per the pastors advice. Shees. Fellow so-called 'christians', and then Pastors act as enablers to this sort of thing? Why? How could that happen? And I was already aware of that kind of stuff going on, yet there it is in my face happening to me. I know what I think, I simply think it is defenitely a sign of the times and with the church as well. What did Jesus say about satan setting Himself up for worship in the Temple in the last days? It's happening. BTW, my writing doesn't always accurately convey how I feel at the moment. I use alot of caps and exclamation points, but believe me I'm not actually yelling here on my end. Too worn down and tired for that. Right now I am actually fairly calm, but just very disheartened. Also, Jerry, I actually in nearly 10 years have NEVER used cross words towards their mother either to her face, over the phone, in front of the boys or not in front of the boys, but the magistrate said in her decision report that both parents do. Where'd that come from? There was no evidence of that presented against me, but there was evidence, including but not limited to the mother blowing up on the stand and cursing my attorney, against her. Someone has told me that for a magistrate of judge to do that is what is called 'going out of the realm(bounds) of the court' because she essentially used something as evidence that was never presented as evidence, in this case that I also speak derogatorially against the mother. That was a minor detail but speaks volumes on how this magistrate thinks, because where did she come up with that from? No one even mentioned that in the proceedings. That's the sort of thing that was in her report making it look suspect.

[Jerry]

Court is already over Jerry. I brought a wealth of evidence against her to court. The court even appointed a psychologist to interview me by myself, her by herself, me with our children interacting, her doing the same, and the children by themselves and the court appointed psychologist recommended that I be given custody. What does this activist Magistrate do in the 7 month period she took to finally come through with her decision? She blows off the psych's recommendations as well as doesn't even mention all my evidence, and then takes it upon herself to essentially think she is the expert in psychology and turns the whole thing on its head and basically attacks me in her decision report. While court was in session she would allow her own cell phone to ring incessantly, a magistrate! lol sheesh. In the end she did me alot of harm in her report and left me very vulnerable to further false allegations. Basically gave my childrens' mother the green light to keep on violating court orders, keep on making allegations whenever she is upset with me and keep on alienating my sons from me. Whole thing was a sham and this magistrate apparently had already had her mind made up before the case even began. I know this much, I am not finished fighting for my sons at this point. My own attorney who is very expeienced even felt as though this was the worst decision she had ever seen based on the amount of evidence against the defendant, coupled with the very psychologist this court appointed recommending I receive custody of my sons, and then this rent a judge throws it all out. The other side didn't even present a rebuttal case because the mother blew up on the stand all yelled at my attorney calling her a 'b***h" so the other att. essentially gave up, and now this decision by the magistrate as though none of that happened or even matterred. What the heck?? Remember, a magistrate is nothing more than an attorney, they are not a Judge nor are they qualified as such. Yet this one apparently thinks she is not only a judge, but also a child psychologist. Whole thing is not only disheartening but very insulting. There was so much more that went on with this thing, even the mother still violating court orders DURING the court process and this magistrate does nothing? I won't go into it all because it'd take 10 pages, just suffice it to say it is quite obvious this magistrate was essentially acting in an activist role instead of following what she should have.

I guess all ya can do is wait for the next opportunity to file a series of "Show Cause Order" requests.Also you might research this magistrates record on past decisions in similar cases to see if you could establish a pattern of bias.....

[FedUP]

I am no expert on how this stuff works so don't know if it is true or not, but I was told this magistrate may well have violated my civil or constitutional rights by giving credence to false allegations that were already investigated and found completely unsubstantiated. The magistrate actually ignored that and used the allegation to form her decision, ignoring the fact that the investigator along with the court appointed psychologist found them to be baseless. In other words, those who investigated said they were not true, but the magistrate essentially said the allegation itself had validity and because of that she decided against me. So I suppose all a person has to do is accuse you of say...anything, and you are hence guilty? I have been told the magistrate made a big mistake hanging her hat on that in making her decision and also may well have opened herself up to a lawsuit, again, I do not know if that is how these things work or if what I am being told is correct or not.

[Reg]

When the 'law' in a nation itself becomes lawless and when the people take pride in their law with no regard to justice, let there be no doubt God will judge that nation as well as it's priests, judges, officials and people. Even aside from my own personal case and dealings with these dark hearted people who lack discernment, I feel as if I am watching the moral disintegration of my country. Good seems to be taken as evil and evil as good. Those who lie are accepted as telling the truth and those who speak the truth are considerred liars, and this same thing is taking place in the church as well.

Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.
As Mary said, "I'm so sorry for the circumstances that have brought you here."

Here's another scripture more to the point you raise above.

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

The day will come when God will make it right. We need an incredible amount of faith and patience to let Him do what he said He would. "Vengence is Mine saith the Eternal."

BTW, A BIG Welcome to all the newbies here.

[broken_hearted_sheep]

FedUP,

Sorry to hear about your circumstances. I have a friend in the fight of his life for his kids too. All I can say is keep fighting. :)

The things you experienced are horrible.:mad:

I can't even begin to understand, all I can say is I hope you stay encouraged. God bless you.

BH Sheep