All Catholics Are Going To Hell!

[abbey]

My cult had a superior attitude toward most churches. They said God called them "Highly blessed" and this got under my skin. Of course, if i stayed in their group, i'd be one of the highly blessed as well. Doing great things for the kingdom. They made fun of all churches, but were particulary mean towards the catholics. Now I understand that the blessed virgin worship and stuff is wrong, but are they all really going to BURN? Who are we to judge a persons heart? I know some catholics that are really close to God. If you ever read Jack Chick comic tracks, they are really fire and brimestone.. No talk of love. Heavy emphasis on going to hell. Jack also is anti catholic and believes that the catholic church is the whore of babylon or something outta revelation. This guys really kinda nutty and my cult nutzos followed suit.

My point is: DO you think Mother Teresa is in Hell because of a label? Becasue she was Catholic?

Im no judge....I hope she in the arms of Christ considering her whole life was loving others in His name. But then again LOVE wasnt one of my cults strong points.

[ex-shep]

I can understand your disdain for the holier than thou attitude of your group. I fear the byline may be a bit on the flaming side.

I do have to agree with on the cult of superiority. We are better than you are is annoying to say the least. The Cleveland churches tend to network in ministry. I could not help but notice.

The campus fellowships at Midwest State worked in tandem. Along comes the Community saying they have the truth and all other groups are in apostasy. Not a great way to win friends and influence enemies. :eek:

[Jerry]

Now I understand that the blessed virgin worship and stuff is wrong, but are they all really going to BURN?

Not hardly ;) ,,,,,,,you have good insight Abbey.............

[Anna Marta]

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Abbey,

Here is my take, it is God who takes care of His own regardless of what some cult or sect says. Frankly, I don't think it is quite as easy to get into hell as many believe it is.

This is a promise from the bible I think is pretty clear.

Rom 10:8-13
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
NIV

The word "everyone" is pretty clear, it does not say some or a few or no Catholics... The Greek word for 'everyone' is 'pas' meaning - all, any, the whole. That seems to cover the issue of Roman Catholics for me...

Hugs
Anna Marta

[mary]

I don't think Mother Teresa is in hell "because she was a Catholic." I believe there are many saved Catholics. I believe and I hope that my mother was one (she showed signs of being saved, although she was a lifelong Catholic) as that's the only chance I have of ever seeing her again. On the other hand, if my mother is not in heaven, then when I get there, I won't care because I'll be with Jesus and I'll know that God's sovereign and perfect will prevailed.

Roman Catholicism does preach a false gospel of works righteousness. If one gets saved in the RCC (and our son was one of them; he's since left), it's despite the teachings of Roman Catholicism, not because of them. The transubstantiation/Eucharist, which is the cornerstone of Catholicism, is a horror by and of itself. If one denies the real Gospel and believes instead in intermediaries such as priests, the efficacy of the Eucharist, the intervention on our behalf of canonized "saints," the "sacrament" of penance, Holy Orders, the rosary, etc., etc., then I don't see how one does not, by believing in those things, take from God the glory that is rightfully His. God will not glorify for eternity one who does that.

Mother Teresa believed that "good" Buddhists, Hindus, etc. all go to heaven. I've read interviews with her in which she explicitly indicated that. If she believed that, and if she was relying upon her own good works (not the atoning, perfect sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary and its being put to account for her sins) for her salvation, then no, the Bible (not "mary") tells us that she is not saved.

Most of the churches I've been in for the last several years consider the RCC to be a true church; one does not. I was raised and educated for over 16 years under nuns and Jesuits. I've been out of the RCC for almost 16 years now, studying and reading, talking to ministers and seminary professors and other Christians. My present stance towards Catholics (especially family and friends, almost all of whom remain in the RCC) is one of love first, and prayer for them, never rancor - but I don't believe that they're in a true church of Jesus Christ if they stay in Catholicism. Unlesss they want to discuss it -and they never do - I don't bring it up.

On the other hand, a church that harps away and beats people over the head with denunciations of Catholicism is, in my opinion, extremely suspect. It probably doesn't have true Christian love for anyone if it doesn't have a heart for the lost or for those laboring under false religious convictions. It denies the Great Commission and that should never be. Are we not to love Catholics enough to bring them to the truth and the Way, the Truth and the Life to them? Yes, we are!

Enough said. Some of you know my real first and middle names and you know that they denote my part-Irish-American Catholic origins. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. The Lord has called me by name, and He's called me His, as He has done with countless other former and current Catholics. He is to be praised, always.

mary

[abbey]

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Abbey,

Here is my take, it is God who takes care of His own regardless of what some cult or sect says. Frankly, I don't think it is quite as easy to get into hell as many believe it is.

This is a promise from the bible I think is pretty clear.

Rom 10:8-13
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
NIV

The word "everyone" is pretty clear, it does not say some or a few or no Catholics... The Greek word for 'everyone' is 'pas' meaning - all, any, the whole. That seems to cover the issue of Roman Catholics for me...

Hugs
Anna Marta
Yes Anna Marta, The scripture you have used was/is along my line of thinking as well. You guys might have sensed a tone of sarcasm in my post? LOL...its because there is sarcasm in my post.

I too believe like Jerry, mary and you AM, that some catholics are heaven bound. So many catholics are the elderly. I live right across from a catholic church and I see very devoted lil old ladies attending church everyday. How could God turn them away because they grew up in the WRONG church?

Just another example of extreme thinking on part of my cult.

If there are stages to recovering from a cult, im in the ANGER stage. I look back at their teaching and fall into anger. They thought the were "no it alls" and i think spiritual pride is the worst pride of all!

Thx for your thoughts.

love ab

[abbey]

I can understand your disdain for the holier than thou attitude of your group. I fear the byline may be a bit on the flaming side.

I do have to agree with on the cult of superiority. We are better than you are is annoying to say the least. The Cleveland churches tend to network in ministry. I could not help but notice.

The campus fellowships at Midwest State worked in tandem. Along comes the Community saying they have the truth and all other groups are in apostasy. Not a great way to win friends and influence enemies. :eek:

Oh Ex-shep, The Hoilier than thou attitude ran rampet in my cult! They were the only ones with truth and the rest of us are gonna burn....

It was one of their many power trips and another way of keeping people captive!

[Anna Marta]

I've gotten to thinking... :eek:

Just about every pentecostal/charismatic church I have been to here in this land teaches pretty much the same as your cult Abbey. They seem to believe that they have cornered the market and all the state church Lutherans/Catholics/Anglicans and everyone else who baptizes infants is headed for the coal stove.

There was, if you can believe this, a front page article in our local paper with the headline that read something like this - "Local Pentecostal Pastor says infant baptism is demonic and all that believe that way are going to hell." Now you can just imagine the length and heat of the comments sent in about that one in a country whose STATE religion is Lutheran! :eek::eek:

We could only laugh going through it all. It would make terrific comedy material if it weren't so serious.

AM

[abbey]

My brother is a catholic. But he doesnt believe in fingering the rosary, praying to saints, purgatory etc. He had a born-again experience and decided to stay under the roof of a catholic church.

Yes mary they have alot of things wrong, but I still believe that some catholics will make it to heaven.....or gee whiz, I at least hope so.

My deceased brother was a catholic too. I hope hes in heaven. :(

[hornblower]

Since all of these horrid people are going to burn for all of these demoniacal things they do in their churches I wonder where that thief went that died on that cross with Jesus?
No baptism at all that guy not even as an infant............oh well .........
I sure am glad my Jesus is about forgiveness and mercy and grace and love and light and all that good stuff and judging others was not looked upon with with a great deal of mercy from His viewpoint.
I just love that guy............wish He was back here doing all that stuff He used to do...........we could sit around and eat His fish and bread and stuff warming ourselves by the fire He made remembering the good old days together.;)

[mary]

Since all of these horrid people are going to burn for all of these demoniacal things they do in their churches I wonder where that thief went that died on that cross with Jesus?
No baptism at all that guy not even as an infant............oh well .........
I sure am glad my Jesus is about forgiveness and mercy and grace and love and light and all that good stuff and judging others was not looked upon with with a great deal of mercy from His viewpoint.
I just love that guy............wish He was back here doing all that stuff He used to do...........we could sit around and eat His fish and bread and stuff warming ourselves by the fire He made remembering the good old days together.;)

That's the point, HB: the thief on the cross had simple, albeit brief in this life, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. It was counted to him for righteousness, and Jesus took him with Him to heaven based on His own righteousness that was imputed to that thief instantly, even while he was dying.

Roman Catholicism believes in baptismal regeneration and that's another false doctrine. (I'm not even going to get into the paedobaptism vs. believers' baptism discussion...) It's regeneration they're talking about there, and that only happens by the action of the Holy Spirit, not by a priest sprinkling water on a baby's head.

Soon enough, HB, some of us sooner than others, we will be in Jesus's presence...! We will see Him as He is - and won't that be glorious?!

Love,

mary

[mary]

I just wanted you all to see this; my brother just sent it to me, thinking I'd like it a lot, which I do:

Best Prayer I Have Heard In A Long Time...
>
>Heavenly Father, help us remember that the jerk who cut us off in
>traffic last night is a single mother who worked nine hours that day
and
>is rushing home to cook dinner, help with homework, do the laundry and
>spend a few precious moments with her children.
>
>Help us to remember that the pierced, tattooed, disinterested young
man
>who can't make change correctly is a worried 19-year-old college
>student, balancing his apprehension over final exams with his fear of
>not getting his student loans for next semester.
>
>Remind us, Lord, that the scary-looking bum, begging for money in the
>same spot every day (who really ought to get a job!) is a slave to
>addictions that we can only imagine in our worst nightmares.
>
>Help us to remember that the old couple walking annoyingly slow
through
>the store aisles and blocking our shopping progress are savoring this
>moment, knowing that, based on the biopsy report she got back last
week,
>this will probably be the last year that they go shopping together.
>
>Heavenly Father, remind us each day that, of all the gifts you give
us,
>the greatest gift is love. It is not enough to share that love with
>those we hold dear. Open our hearts not to just those who are close to
>us, but to all humanity. Let us be slow to judge and quick to forgive,
>show patience, empathy and love. In Jesus's name, we pray.
___________________________________________
I add, to each of the above scenarios,

There, but for the grace of God, go I...

I added the "there, but for the grace of God..." line. That's all.

My brother is a lifelong Catholic - but he took comfort from the above prayer. :confused: :) He's a year younger than I. He has nothing but scorn for our new church effort, as does the rest of my family. And yet, maybe the Holy Spirit is at work in him. I pray that's the case.

It's little events like this e-mailed prayer from my brother that's one of the reasons I say we must continue to pray for Catholics.

mary