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outcast
07-20-2007, 04:19 PM
I had coffee today at my home with a wonderful woman whom I have known for about 5 or 6 years. She attended the cult church when I did, left around the time that I did and attended the next SA church we attended. Now she is at the current church we attend. Let me state that she did not know we were attending the current church - she just ended up there a month or so ago.

As we were discussing the various church situations with each other, I was mostly listening to her talk b/c she already knows my opinions and was wonderfully supportive of me when I was first dealing with things. Her main frustration at present with all the church situations we share is that she hasn't been able to connect with people in a permanent and intimate manner. She is feeling very lonely.

We had a good talk and afterwards I realized that it is funny how two people can face the same unhealthy environments and yet come away from the experiences with different woundings and issues. Granted, I was quite a bit more involved in both of the unhealthy churches we attended than she was - which I am sure opened me up to hurt in different areas than she was feeling.

Since the point of this forum is mostly to share what we have been through and what has helped us through it, I thought I'd share this experience with the forum family along with the thought that we never really know what other people are feeling and thinking - even though they might be walking right along side us. I had no idea my friend was feeling so lonely and bereft. She had no idea of the twisted ideology I had been subjected to for years. We neither of us knew that we had the potential to comfort one another b/c we had both isolated ourselves from others in the body.

I came away from the situation realizing that I needed to be more aware of what others are thinking and feeling wherever I am. We will all view things through the lens of our past experiences. I must remember that not everyone shares my lens.

Elisabeth
07-20-2007, 06:29 PM
I came away from the situation realizing that I needed to be more aware of what others are thinking and feeling wherever I am. We will all view things through the lens of our past experiences. I must remember that not everyone shares my lens.

That is so very true. :cool: Like with siblings; you ever talk about experiences from your childhood with your sibling and realize, that although you were in the same house with the same parents and maybe even close to the same age, that in some respects you had very different childhoods? I have, and my brother is only 13 months older than me. :D

InTheory
07-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Some great thoughts Outcast...we never do know what someone else is thinking/feeling, EVEN WHEN they're in the same experience.

We TOTALLY went through this in our church exodus-people that were right there beside us ended up in COMPLETELY different places, and seemed to process the entire ordeal differently.

It can be almost disorienting to see the differences, really.

Thank you so much for sharing, Outcast! :)

-Dan

Anna Marta
07-21-2007, 03:26 AM
It can be almost disorienting to see the differences, really.

Thanks Dan,

That explains, for me, the part of my thinking maybe I was crazy. I was running my experience through someone else's filter.

Going to chew on this for awhile.

Have a great day,
Anna Marta

outcast
07-21-2007, 09:21 AM
Some great thoughts Outcast...we never do know what someone else is thinking/feeling, EVEN WHEN they're in the same experience.

We TOTALLY went through this in our church exodus-people that were right there beside us ended up in COMPLETELY different places, and seemed to process the entire ordeal differently.

It can be almost disorienting to see the differences, really.

Thank you so much for sharing, Outcast! :)

-Dan

Thanks Dan. On a small scale I had encountered this with some who had left before we did. These people were reluctant to call the old church a cult - although it fits all the tenets. They also insist on focusing on the good things they felt that they learned from the cult pastors and so forth. I don't really have the stomach for that sort of thinking and have told them so. They respect that fact.

This is the first time, however, that I have discussed things with someone who left when I did and then attended the same churches later on. I could really feel her struggle with some things while other issues she had were simply not the same as mine.

outcast
07-21-2007, 09:23 AM
That is so very true. :cool: Like with siblings; you ever talk about experiences from your childhood with your sibling and realize, that although you were in the same house with the same parents and maybe even close to the same age, that in some respects you had very different childhoods? I have, and my brother is only 13 months older than me. :D

I'm glad you mention this Elizabeth. I have run into this with my siblings concerning our abusive family past. I guess I just didn't make the connection with my cult church experiences.

InTheory
07-21-2007, 09:42 AM
Thanks Dan,

That explains, for me, the part of my thinking maybe I was crazy. I was running my experience through someone else's filter.

Going to chew on this for awhile.

Have a great day,
Anna Marta

Anna, it's a crazy world that we live in, which is MUCH complicated by the fact that EVERY SINGLE individual "filters" everything in a slightly different and unique way.
EGADS!!! :)

-Dan

Elisabeth
07-21-2007, 09:47 AM
I'm glad you mention this Elizabeth. I have run into this with my siblings concerning our abusive family past. I guess I just didn't make the connection with my cult church experiences.

It doesn't have to even been with abusive families. Ours wasn't; it was just normal stuff that we saw differently. People tend to see things framed by a lot of unrelated things, and even by their own personalities. :cool: