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Reg
09-14-2004, 10:31 PM
Hi all,

Finally getting a bit of time to figure this new forum out. I started to post some of what I was jounalling and here was the latest one I posted on the old forum and never had a chance to hear any replies from you. When I got back from the cottage, the old forum was gone. So here it is again.

P.S. When I feel the time is right, I plan to submit this to our Senior Pastor. Maybe this year, maybe next, Who knows.? :confused:

I think God will initiate the right circumstances to let me know when that is. ;)

July 27/04 - 16 Steps vs 12 Steps

In reading the book "Many Roads - One Journey" I read on page 48 where it talks about a new group that uses the 16 Steps I gave to two leader in our church. After nearly a year I have received NO FEEDBACK! even though I asked for some. The 16 Steps help move people who have moved to [Stage 4: Late Adolescence and Early Adulthood, The Critic: Ages sixteen - twenties and thirties] of their faithing (journey of faith) and are no longer dependent on a traditional 12 Step program. They have moved past a dependency level of a Program to one of personal empowerment and one that honours their own wisdom & internal strength. Dependency on an external set of rules or dogma needs to be replaced thusly if one is going to grow & mature into someone with a healthy ego that has an autonomy balanced with interdependency. Such a program of 16 Steps that moves beyond the rigid 12 Step program is necessary to develop a person's God-given potential here and now. Through such a program, people will be empowered to find their own unique place in the Universe. Instead of rigidity to a traditional 12 Step mantra, they will be encouraged to think for themselves and question those things that don't "feel" right.

We cannot slide into a dangerous one-size-fits-all mode that is sure to be wrong for many people. If we remember the overall goals are to alleviate people's suffering, we can put our rigid egos aside and ask, "What works? What doesn't work?" Are there ways support groups could be more effective, possibly for different groups of people such as those who have been spiritually abused? Because of my two years in Celebrate Recovery as the Assimilator Coach, CR is NOT the place for the spiritually abused. A program embracing the 16 Steps that is more flexible and doesn't insist on rigid conformity is what is needed to help them move past the pain and trauma they suffered from the last group they left. Only such a program can give them the support they need to help them begin to "Trust" again. This is one of their greatest needs, to have their "trust muscle" healed at the deepest level of their being. They need an Authentic, caring place based on LOVE! Love creates TRUST! It helps move us beyond our fears. Love leads to a state of openness grounded in faith. A faith that acknowledges that the life we have is a miracle of God and we are His children. This FAITH & LOVE leads to the knowledge that despite our many differences, we share a common heritage and a desire for LOVE, PURPOSE AND COMMUNITY that connects us to our fellow man. If we fear, it blocks love. We have to express our fears in a knowledgeable "SAFE" and I mean "REALLY SAFE" group(s) to move past those blockages of love in order to feel the healing POWER OF CHRIST'S LOVE enter as a healing balm. A balm that one feels deeply within to the point of tears at the wonderment of it. It is this experience of abuse that Jesus understands deeply and is closely and intimately sensitive to the Spiritually Abused because He paid the ultimate price confronting the established religious system of His day. He was the most abused of us all to the point of the Cross and His crucifiction.

We need to find ways to create SAFETY in these 16 Step recovery (uncover/discover) groups so there are fewer instances of CONTROL, ALIENATION & EXPLOITATION. All of these are areas the spiritually abused understand completely. We need to instill in people a sense of internal power that they lack in their "POWERLESSNESS". It is this attitude that fosters a new dependency on their recovery groups. Recovery grounded on fear does not lead to the development of a healthy aware ego (self-image).

We will remain as children tied to a 12 Step program because we have not internalized our own belief systems and have given this power to another person or program. We need to be mature people who live by their own internal morals and authority. The 16 Steps will focus on being HEALTHY, spent with/where people are supportive,. flexible & caring. It will help a person fill in some missing pieces from their childhood and move forward in their relationship with God and their fellow man. It cannot be rigid and dogmatic which will only reinforce the rigid, authoritarian faith/group/church/cult they left or rather escaped from that was full of legalism.

To lock them into a similar 12 Step program will present too many triggers that will make them withdraw. While initially it may seem to help them, they will eventually leave because they realize they have to stuff too much to stay connected to the group at the cost of their human development. By staying locked in a rigid box/set of rules and authority like the controlling group/church/cult they left, they will continue to stuff and not advance in their healing. Eventually they will leave when it becomes too unbearable.

The need to heal and form trusting bonds again is PARAMOUNT to their recovery. This occurs at a very deep spiritual level. They need to learn what LOVE is, all over again. They need to have people who are willing to listen to them without interruption. This will demonstrate to them love in action when they sense real compassion, humility, kindness and most of all a validity and understanding of the trauma and pain they experienced. They need to find a place where they can be free to express their feelings. What they really feel without stuffing. Feelings by themselves are not wrong. They are real. They need to be felt. However, what we do about them can be quite another thing. Expressed in an understanding group can defuse much of the negative downside of that problem.

Solutions have to "feel" right for each individual if they are truly going to last. They need to be more than "bandage" therapy solutions. If there is little room for questioning, then a certain fear sets in that leads on to believe that the program is unchangeable or the leader/facilitator is too controlling. This is very triggering for the spiritually abused. Conformity has been a standard way we have sidestepped confrontation. It has been what has caused us our pain initially when we got out of step with our former groups and made us "one of them" so we will avoid confrontation at all costs. We do not want to take a backward step in our journey and enter a program at a more mature level of our faithing by being asked to go back to a more childlike state of faith in order to get well. We understand that our attitude needs to be childlike yet that trust is what has been violated and to have others insist we have to trust them and what they say has to be earned. To do so would mean to trade in our personal identity and attach to "The Program". If there isn't room for shades of gray, then there isn't room for the Spiritually Abused. Instead of giving people "pat" answers, it can be healing & strengthening to ask some questions such as "What seems to help you the most? What do you think? and then REALLY LISTEN! This will take a long time and can be frustrating for those in leadership positions.

We cannot allow dependency to go too far that leads to conformity, harmony & agreement. This leads to group symbiosis & dependency. Instead of "growing" within a Community of like believers, a person's identity becomes dependent on belonging to a group and they fail to honour their own wisdom and internal strength. This leads us back to fear.

Although small groups have an immense capacity for healing, it is important that we not attribute this healing capacity solely to a 12 Step program. In these programs, people in recovery from their many and several addictions & dysfunctions have replaced their dependency on them to that of a healthy dependency on their group. But this dependency can go too far. We need to have our own internal sense of power and realize, in the end, we are responsible for our own recovery (uncover and discover). We need to honour our own internal compass and respect our own wisdom & internal strength. If it doesn't "feel" right, it probably isn't for us. Our "gut" feelings have often been right in the past and we ignored them only to our own hurt. We cannot afford to do so in the future. The cliche' "Be true to thine own self" is what we ignored in the past and lead us or allowed ourselves to be abused. We were subtly deceived to abandon our "critical thinking process". To do that is dangerous. Victimization is the result and there are too many out there who will take advantage of this for their own purposes. (Continued in part 2)

Reg
09-14-2004, 10:32 PM
Part 2

The questions we, the spiritually abused, have and pose, need to be heard and a reasonable attempt to answer them has to be put forward. If we are dissed in any way, shape or form we will withdraw. We will be gone and lost to the influence of those who lead recovery groups for good. To restore a trust we believe has been violated will be virtually impossible for someone who has suffered from spiritual abuse. We need to be FREE THINKERS and any attempt to "control" us will trigger us and bring anger and resentment within us. It will close down lines of communication. It seems, only those who have been spiritually abused and understand this sacred trust should be in positions of leadership in a 16 Step program. If not, we will eventually lose interest in the people who cannot understand our inner yearning, confusion and disillusionment!

The 16 Step program needs to lead people to a level of transformation and maturity where they no longer need a 12 Step group identity. They will arrive at the point where they see their own unique place in God's creation and the purpose for their lives. They then will move forcibly forward empowered by this passion and sense of mission to fulfill their God-given destinies to become part of the solution ushering in God's Kingdom on earth. They can't go back to a program of dependency because they know too much. One more thing. In this awareness, they also discover, unfortunately, many people are content to settle for the "status quo" who don't want to confront the system and move forward. This has been frustrating for us as we are often looked upon as a special elite who are perceived as having special knowledge with big egos. Although because of our experiences and trauma, there may be some justification for that kind of thinking by others, we don't feel better or superior with inflated egos. We just feel "DIFFERENT"! A unique, one-of-a-kind creation of God.

Oopsie Daisey
09-15-2004, 05:59 AM
Hey Reg:

Hello!~

I remember replying and what I thought when I read the 16-step possibilities.

I remember thinking that it is about time. Having read the 12 step program, I wondered how it could be improved and yet I can see how with your proposing that we need to be "free thinkers" and ask questions and not rely on our own strength as if I understand what you are saying. It would mean that this program would be more personal and less generic.

Of course, when there is any thing threatens things we have seen and heard, it is not easy to let go of old ideas but I am open to see what God wants to do with it in my life. I can't get any worse than where I am at now.

I am surely open to make it work in my life with the help of God to move past where I am at now and that is in that stinkin' victim mentallity that I hate.

Reg, I actually like your post and think it is very good idea.
Can't wait to hear more. I hope and pray that it will be available soon.

Melanie

Emerging
09-15-2004, 07:10 PM
Hi Reg, and thank you for taking the time to post this. Unfortunately, this much info is just overload/triggering for me sooooo is there somewhere online I could read about it that's ummmm errrrr welllll more concise and totally shorter? Thanks for understanding. :( :confused: :o

Reg
09-17-2004, 10:16 AM
Hi Emerging,

Sorry for info overload. I got a lot of this from the book, "Many Roads, One Journey - Moving Beyond the 12 Steps" by Charlotte Kasl. It's a good read, although I don't agree with everything she says, I agree with a lot of it.

Here are the 16 Steps she proposed. I like them. They are empowering and wean people off the dependent 12 Step model.

Many Roads, One Journey, Moving Beyond the 12 Steps by Charlotte Kasl
(16 Steps - Modified with scriptures)

1. I affirm that I have the power to take charge of my life, to learn to express my emotions and needs in a healthy way, and to identify and leave behind behaviors that no longer work for me. (...in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. -Romans 8:37)

2. God, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in me, strengthens me and leads me into the wisdom and discernment necessary for healing the wounds of the past, present, and future.(The true children of God are those who let God's Spirit lead them. -Romans 8:14)

3. I choose to be my authentic self. I choose to embrace the power of truth as an integral part of my healing process. (If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -John 8:31-32)

4. I choose to examine and stay aware of how my culture - family, friends, media, church, professional training - affects my beliefs and behaviors. (In this world you will have trouble, but be brave! I have defeated the world. -John 16:33)

5. I share with another human being and with God all things inside me for which I feel shame and/or guilt. (If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. -1 John 1:9-10)

6. I affirm and enjoy my intelligence, strengths, and creativity, remembering not to hide those qualities from myself or others. (God did not give us a spirit that makes us afraid but a spirit of power and love and self-control. -2 Timothy 1:7)

7. I am willing to let go of shame, guilt, anger, unforgiveness, and any behavior that keeps me from loving myself and others. (Do not change yourselves to be like the people of this world, but be changed within by a new way of thinking. Then you will be able to decide what God wants for you; you will know what is good and pleasing to him and what is perfect. - Romans 12:2)

8. I will make a list of people I have harmed and people who have harmed me, and I will confess my own sin to God first and ask Him for wisdom and discernment. Then, as God leads me, I will make amends and/or share my grievances with the people on my list in a respectful and loving way. (...God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. -2Corinthians 5:19)

9. I express love and gratitude to God and others, and I increasingly appreciate the wonder of life and the blessings I do have. (I will praise you, O LORD, with all my heart; I will tell of all your wonders. I will be glad and rejoice in you; I will sing praise to your name, O Most High. -Psalm 9:1-2)

10. I learn to trust my reality and I daily affirm that I see what I see, I know what I know, and I feel what I feel. (Your eyes are windows into your body. If you open your eyes wide in wonder and belief, your body fills up with light. If you live squinty-eyed in greed and distrust, your body is a dank cellar. If you pull the blinds on your windows, what a dark life you will have! -Matt 6:22-23)

11. I promptly admit to mistakes and make amends when appropriate, but I do not say I am sorry for things I have not done, and I do not cover-up, analyze, or take responsibility for the shortcomings of others. (Don't you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? God will bring ruin upon anyone who ruins this temple. For God's temple is holy, and you Christians are that temple. -1 Corinthians 3:16-17)

12. I seek out situations, jobs, and people that affirm my intelligence, perceptions, and self-worth. I avoid situations or people who are hurtful, harmful, or demeaning to me. (There are "friends" who destroy each other, but a real friend sticks closer than a brother. -Proverbs 18:24)

13. I take steps to heal my physical body, organize my life, reduce stress, and have fun. (God gives wisdom, knowledge, and joy to those who please him. -Ecclesiastes 2:26)

14. I seek to understand my calling and I daily ask God for the strength, wisdom, and discernment to walk in it. (Make a careful exploration of who you are and the work you have been given, and then sink yourself into that. Don't be impressed with yourself. Don't compare yourself with others. Each of you must take responsibility for doing the creative best you can with your own life. Be very sure now, you who have been trained to a self-sufficient maturity, that you enter into a generous common life with those who have trained you, sharing all the good things that you have and experience. -Galatians 6:3-5)

15. I accept the ups and downs of life as gifts that can be used as lessons for my growth. (...whenever trouble comes your way, let it be an opportunity for joy. 3For when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. 4So let it grow, for when your endurance is fully developed, you will be strong in character and ready for anything. -James 1:2-4)

16. I grow in awareness that I am a sacred being, interrelated with all living things, and I contribute to restoring peace, love, mercy, grace, and balance in my family, my neighborhood, my social circle, my church, my city, my state, my country, and the world. (Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone, everywhere.-Mark 16:15)

Oopsie Daisey
09-17-2004, 10:58 AM
I know that your reply was addressed to Emerging and I don't mean to horn in but I do have a question. Are these 16 steps currently in place for support groups around the country? I am very interested in this personally. I know I don't talk intelligent and so tend to ramble or not make sense because I don't have the lingo down but I am genuinely interested. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. May you have already told us. :rolleyes:

I will go back and read. Have to find out more info.

Thanks,
Melanie

Reg
09-17-2004, 11:31 AM
Hi Melanie.

Still trying to get used to this new forum.

In the book Kasl mentioned that there are some groups using them or a version of them.
I feel they are what we as the spiritually abused need. We need to move to a model of empowerment beyond the dependent 12 Step one.

Her book answers a lot of those type of questions.


Many Roads One Journey: Moving Beyond the 12 Steps
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060965185/qid=1095442121/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-5166838-9447921

Reg
09-23-2004, 08:18 AM
[QUOTE=Reg]Hi Melanie.

Still trying to get used to this new forum.

In the book Kasl mentioned that there are some groups using them or a version of them.
I feel they are what we as the spiritually abused need. We need to move to a model of empowerment beyond the dependent 12 Step one.

Her book answers a lot of those type of questions.


Many Roads One Journey: Moving Beyond the 12 Steps
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060965185/qid=1095442121/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-5166838-9447921

[/"If we want to set our lives right and find peace, it is not the tolerant attitude of others that will do it for us. It will come about, rather, by our learning how to show compassion to them. If we try to avoid this hard struggle of compassion, by preferring a withdrawn and solitary life, we will simply drag our unhealed obsessions into solitude with us. We might well have hidden them. We certainly will not have eliminated them. If we do not seek liberation from our obsessions, then becoming more withdrawn and less social may even make us more blind to them, since it can mask them."

John Cassian (he lived between 360 and 430 A.D. He was a monk in Bethlehem and Egypt.)QUOTE]

Oopsie Daisey
09-23-2004, 08:31 AM
Hello Reg:


Thank you for your recent posts. I have been examining these thoughts and exploring the possiblities. I actually like it. I really like it a lot.

Will buy the books when I am employed but meanwhile, I am doing a lot of suring for material and eating up things like you have just posted.

Thanks for taking the time to post some healthy information.


Melanie

Reg
09-23-2004, 10:28 AM
Thanks Melanie,

Always a pleasure to pass on good healthy info.

I liked the quote by John Cassian so much I decided to use it as part of my signature. What do you think?

Theodora
09-23-2004, 11:04 AM
I've only been able to scan your message quickly---but caught enough to be interested in the "16 steps" as described. Have you used these? (Sorry...probably wasn't reading carefully enough--you may have told us.)

Is there a "part 2" to your message, as indicated??? Couldn't find that if so.

Do we know how long messages are archived here??? If you've read any of my recent history on the Open Forum, you'll know that I'm in the middle of a VERY intense period in my life, with my younger son getting married here in town a week from this Sat.

SO... "obviously"....not a lot of time to spend on-line right now, but I did want to tell you that I appreciated the reference to the book and information about this "different" approach to healing and that I would like to do some follow-up on this "when I can."

Thanks so much for sharing out of your "experience, strength and hope!"

Grace and peace to you and yours this day!

Theodora

P.S. How's the golfing these days? Enjoying some good weather for this??? We've just had rain the day before yesterday and some this a.m.....needed!...and have been thankful that we were able to get enough yard work done...with help!...that we could have in some professionals to aerate, fertilize and re-seed a bare area in our back yard yesterday. And then...to have the timely rain come this a.m. ---WOW! We are thankful! We've been waiting to do this for c. 2 years now....!!!...and it feels SO good to see some progress there.
Not sure that that has to do with ANYTHING here, so my apologies....except in thinking that sometimes we DO give up before we see "the miracle" and that "God's timing" quite frequently ISN'T "OUR" timing!!! Peace to you, my brother in Christ. :)

Reg
09-24-2004, 08:22 AM
Thanks a lot Theo for our kind reply.

Part 2 is at the bottom. I couldn't post it all on the first one because of the word limitations on this new forum so I had to post it in two parts.

And no, I haven't used them yet. Although, in God's good timing I would like to. ;)

And yes, the golfing is going very good this season. We are having some great summer weather in September. They say it may carry all the way to November because of the unusually colder & wetter summer than usual. Hope they are right.

Take care Theo and always stay close to the source of our life and light.

Reg

Oopsie Daisey
09-24-2004, 09:44 AM
Thanks Melanie,

Always a pleasure to pass on good healthy info.

I liked the quote by John Cassian so much I decided to use it as part of my signature. What do you think?
Boy that is a big order in that quote on your signature,but so much is said!! Makes a nice one! I like it.