When God speaks

[Anna Marta]

As many of you have a great deal more experience and wisdom than I in this area I feel free to share my heart and happenings. At the most you share compassion and give support :D and at the least you are kind enough to say nothing when I sound nutty as a fruit-cake, huh?:eek:

I have had several dreams these last nights. It seems to me that God is making himself pretty clear to me. Should anyone have more insight (from you more objective perspective) feel perfectly free.:rolleyes:

I saw a horseback rider. He was leading another horse that he warned was not friendly. A young woman approached this horse and looked in his nose. She was able to turn the 2 sides of his nose completely back which I thought was wierd. Then she opened his mouth and as she did so the mouth enlarged and became huge. Inside the mouth lay a BIG snake. When she reached in to pull it out it attacked her. I turned my back unable to look so I could unly hear her say, "You won't help? So this is the way it is supposed to end."

On waking I realized that "the horse" is the source of truth, right? We usually say something came straight from the horse's mouth. Who is the horse in my case - the pastor. What he says is hurtful to the point of being deadly (spiritually) BUT - she who would try to pull the snake out herself will not only be attacked and no one will help. DO I NEED ANY MORE WARNING TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND GET OUT OF THERE!!! :mad:

I was in an office looking out the window and saw a woman in a blue dress stagger into a shop. I told the men in the office to call an ambulance and ran out to help. I burst into the store exclaiming not to worry that an ambulance was coming. There was a small grp of women in the shop who told ne not to worry. One held up her purse and said, "The mask is important."

Here I am at a loss, unless it means that the woman that keep calling me on the phone is not what she seems. No wonder I don't want to take the calls.

Thanks,
Anna Marta

[Hope 98]

One of the most significant phrases that ever struck me was this:

God is not the author of confusion!

Helps me understand when things AREN'T clear - (no, not that they are from the devil), I can ask God for clarity. If I don't find it - God's not in it.

It seems you have a handle on your one dream. It may just take longer to become clear on the other. If God wants you to know something - He doesn't give up easy.

[hornblower]

I saw a horseback rider. He was leading another horse that he warned was not friendly. A young woman approached this horse and looked in his nose. She was able to turn the 2 sides of his nose completely back which I thought was wierd. Then she opened his mouth and as she did so the mouth enlarged and became huge. Inside the mouth lay a BIG snake. When she reached in to pull it out it attacked her. I turned my back unable to look so I could unly hear her say, "You won't help? So this is the way it is supposed to end."

Horse in the book of revelations means strength I have been told, because in the old testament people had no toher way of going anywhere except on a horse especially in a battle of some kind. I dont know about the horses mouth.......you are right that could be a possibility. To me the nose of this horse would be the persons discernment. Can they tell right from wrong wise from unwise loving from unloving? If the second horse is your pastor it would stand to reason that the rider of the first horse who I take to be Jesus would be telling you this is the horse that you have chosen to get on and ride??????? He does not have the discernment needed for the job. Now forgive me if Im wrong because this is just me and my silly dream stuff you know? I can be wrong please dont put stock into what I am saying if its not making sense to you after all its your dream no one really can tell you what it means it has to strike a chord of truth I think for my interpretation to be right.

I take it to mean God has tried to tell you about this man but then you went ahead and listened to him anyway and got hurt by the snake that is inside of him because he has no discernment a character trait that any shepherd needs in spades. Now you are wondering inside of yourself why didnt anyone help me with this? God did try to help you and you didnt for whatever reason pay attention to what God was trying to tell you the first time.

Maybe this is just my take on it because its definitely what happened to me at the church I went too. I knew God was trying to tell me but i just didnt want to believe it. Im trying to learn to listen and do what my insides are telling me from now on. Its not easy to learn this. We naturally want to trust the powers that be. Speaking for myself I want it easy. How are we going to learn discernment for ourselves if we dont heed the warnings God has for us?

[hornblower]

I was in an office looking out the window and saw a woman in a blue dress stagger into a shop. I told the men in the office to call an ambulance and ran out to help. I burst into the store exclaiming not to worry that an ambulance was coming. There was a small grp of women in the shop who told ne not to worry. One held up her purse and said, "The mask is important."

Now this one is easy for me to understand. It wasnt at first then all of a sufdden I realised oh simple I know this one to a T.

You are in your spirit looking out in the spiritual realm. You see a woman and she is dressed in blue. I think the womn maybe you maybe its somebody else but anyway its definitely going to happen to many women so its just an example. This woman needs to be healed thus the blue dress. Blue means healing to me. She is wounded of course. The store is the church. You see her needs you know she needs help you want to call for help for her of course because you my friend care what happens to her and what has happened to her.
The group of women are in your church and they could be in many churches and they are!
They tell you oh forget it dont worry about her shes ok!
They want her to shut up and be just like them hiding behind their masks. In reality they are all this same way hurt and unhealed but they wear their masks and wont let anyone see the real them. This is the way it is.
Ohp I forgot the purse. The purse is that scripture where Jesus tells the people buy for yourselves purses that dont wear out. New hearts that care. Also the men in the office are the authority figures in the church that dont do a blame thing about the painful hurting people.
Just my interpretation take it or leave it my friend.

[ex-shep]

I cannot say that emulating Joseph or Daniel is part of my resume. I can say that dramatic dreams after a traumatic group experience are, sadly, part and parcel of the recovery experience. I had more than my share of wild one for the first few months. It got to the point where I took it with a grain of sodium chloride.

[Anna Marta]

Hope,
We have talked together here at home about the "father of lies and confusion." We can see his hand in all of this.
Thanks for the reminder
Anna Marta:)

[Anna Marta]

Hornblower,
Thank you, your sharings are ringing bells and lights are blinking in my head.

Never considered "who" the rider of the first horse was, but it makes sense it would be Jesus - as he comes riding on a horse in revelation. And yes, I did have "pinches" of warnings earlier, but chose to ignore the behaviors. (more on this in another thread)

As for the blue dress and men in the office... yikes! I commented early on when we first came to this church that the women are nearly invisible in ministry. Here is the funny thing, I think I have been wearing a mask in this church!!! I have tried to be unobtrusive and melt into the crowd. This isn't easy for me. I am by nature an optimistic, bubbly and outgoing gal, never known for being a wall flower! ;)

My big contribution to this church has been making a cake and helping with coffee hour every 6th week and attending a small group. Otherwise I have been loving people in quiet ways through smiles, encouraging words and hugs and taking the time to listen or pray. Steinar has been the visible one. But I have gotten all the attention. Go figure:confused:

I think the shock to the leadership has been that Steinar has gone before me and protected me in ways none of these men probably would consider doing for their wives. After that first meeting, Steinar has been adament that it is not up to me to have to defend myself against a group of men.:mad: He has taken the battle and demanded answers - revealing the confusion and legalism. :eek: He has told them that I am HIS wife and they have to go through him to get to me. If they aren't willing to go "man-to-man" with him why would he allow them to chew on me??? This is not going over well. The calls are now coming in from the women wanting to take me to lunch... I wonder why, huh? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Jerry]

Anna & Hornblower,,,
The White Horse & Rider of Rev 6 vs 2 is the "False Christ"...In this verse the Greek word that is rendered "Bow" in our English Bible is "Toxon" .That's where we get our word "Toxic" ....Don't forget that "anti" in Greek does not mean against as in English.......In Greek "anti" means "Instead of,,,or Disguised as" .....So the "Horse & Rider" of Rev 6 vs 2 is a "Cheep Imitation" of the "Real Christ" of Rev.19 vs 11-16 ;)
Love Jerry
P.S. Let no one deceive you guys ,,,,,, "Satan" arrives FIRST !!!! Disguised as the "Savior"

[Anna Marta]

Thanks Jerry,

Cheap imitation, huh? Sounds about right to me. Leave it to Jesus and Jerry to give a perspective in a few succinct sentences. Men are supposed to use a lot fewer words than women. No wonder you've been blessed with abilities to use them judiciously. :D :eek: :rolleyes:

I've have turned off my mobile phone and I'm going back to bed! :cool: Covers over my head cat by my side.:) I quit...

Anna Marta

[Jerry]

I've have turned off my mobile phone and I'm going back to bed! :cool: Covers over my head cat by my side.:) I quit...

Anna Marta

:D I just got up ,,,,,I'll continue to look for trouble LOL

[Carmen]

I'm skittish when it comes to dreams. Sounds too much like the Pentecostal/Charismatic stuff I left behind. But I wouldn't put it off entirely.

I have had one or two dreams in my life where I believed God was telling me something, but I think that such things are really exceptional and don't happen every day.

If your dreams are supposed to speak to you, God will not hide the meaning, I think. Also, your conscience or good sense may be trying to tell you something you already know. The few dreams I think that were from God were of that nature, he confirmed what I already knew, but just didn't want to address or admit.

Then again dreams might just be the brain trying to sort stuff out, like it does every time you sleep. Nonsense might just be nonsense. I've had Dalì-like stuff come into my dreams, but didn't have the will or the talent to put it on canvas. That would have given others nightmares. :rolleyes:

[hornblower]

Anna I hope you know Im only supposing about these dreams. There is no way I can tell you that the interpretation is from God. Long ago I was in a charismatic church but even then these things were never done, dreams interpreted or anything like that. Always because the leadership wouldnt allow the gifts to really ever come forth. They were afraid for them too and in a lot of ways I dont blame them.

It seems like when I come here that they have been used to hurt many many folks. If anything I have said to you bothers you in any way please forgive me it was never my intention. I dream all of the time every night at least three or four dreams. They are not from the Lord and I know they arent. Its exactly as Carmen says here.

I trully believe that dreams are like garbage. In the daytime stuff comes inside that we cant assimilate so it comes out in our dreams in crazy ways, our brain is trying to understand what we didnt sort through in the daytime. I will be totally honest with you about this experience of mine. I used to have what I choose to call visions.

I wish beyond anything that they would come back but it appears to be something I cannot just make happen when ever I want. I know that if I told a pschiatrist that I had or have these things they would say I am nuts. I choose not to be nuts. Because of the visions I used to have I studied the word and came up with a system according to what I could tell is written trying to understand these visions.

Here is what I did learn about them though and you can write this down and print it out. If something is from God, its going to happen and thats for sure, nothing you can do to change it. I never completely understood anything untill that time came when the incident happened to me or to others. Then I could look back the memory of the vision very clearly in my mind at the time and see exactly what God was trying to tell me.

I think your dreams rang true to me because of my own experiences in that last church I went too. I think you already have your interpretation yourself as Carmen said. Maybe you dont completely understand it and will at a later date. The things of the Spirit are very mysterious. I think thats because God is not like us and He is very hard for us to understand but we have to know and trust that He is looking out for us and we need to always be transparent with Him. He is for us not against us. I hope this was not too hocus pocus for people here I wont do it again.

It could bring back bad memories or trigger a lot of people Im sure and I dont want to do that. Im sorry I ever wrote this post. I love the spiritual side of God, meaning the gifts of the spirit. I dont think I ever misused them to get gain ever! I wanted to comfort people. Ive never been to a church where they ever let you do much of anything, if you did you would always be in big trouble. The one time I was set up to share my visions and the interpretations it was always nothing but for the good of those listening kind words of comfort nothing more. I think if anything I used to be an encourager in the body of Christ.

I cannot stand popularity contests in the body, the kind of thing that mostly to my past experience anyway women indulge in. Im sure men do too but I was never close to any of what went on with them didnt want to be either. I think what goes on in churches is very dangerous because so many people are walking in unloving attitudes, are very unhealed themselves so they cant help anyone.

Too many power struggles. Its Gods church and its His to straighten out. Ive given up doing anything in them at all, cant take it. I dont blame you for wearing a mask, I would be wearing a mask so large no one could even recognise me at all. I would never say or do anything any more except maybe serve coffee or try to bake a cake. I might love on an elderly person which might get me in trouble too. I dont know what I would do. Not much of anything anywhere!

Hope youve had a good sleep anna. Mine was not so good last night. Woke up to my dog pooping again in this house grrrrrrrrrrrrr! Little silly mutt! I dont know whats gotten into him he was being beyond good and now he is so sorry I could just beat his tiny behind. Too long of a post again sorry.