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hornblower
09-15-2006, 03:32 AM
Im going to my little grandsons grandparents day lunch at his school today. Ill be picking up Mc Donalds. You guys want me to bring you anything? Lost six and a half pounds so far. Feeling thin even though I dont look it. Its a good feeling, one Id like to get used too. Haha.
Im not one of these women that always has the same look about her......know what I mean?

I change when ever the fancy strikes me and this fancy of being fluffy as Jerry calls it, is affecting my health big time. I realise this isnt a weight control clinic here but forgive me if I talk about it now and then. This is a biggy for me. I started my heavy duty working out exercise yesterday. Im a lot more out of shape then I realised. I wanted to play that song Breathless to the work out tape, seemed apprapo (?) thats looking mispelled too I wish I knew how to activate the spelling thing on here.
Anyway couldnt sleep took a nap yesterday and so Im up now.

Anyway what I really wanted to say is I have been watching Joyce Meyer for a long time and I tell you, she is really helping me with a whole lot of things. She is really just about the only teacher on that tv thing I can take. Every once in awhile it happens that someone speaks to my heart and its good but so seldom and I end up just being so confused. Plus I want it to be Jesus Im following not a person in the first place so I try to stay away from it. This week with her has been so perfect for all of the things Im going through right now, the letting go, the persection, depressions etc.


I have only one thing to say a little negative about her teachings though and this is for us guys that dont 'make' it(?) Im sure she doesnt want to leave this impression but its so easy to see it this way from what she is saying.
If you do this and that thing you will end up like her! Money, fame, friends, family all there for you, huge ministry etc. Like I say I dont think she mens it to come out this way and plus maybe she will go on to talk about that this morning too I hope so but I dont believe that Gods people have to be in a lime light to be absolutely the most precious child to God.


I have had so many people well meaning im sure but nevertheless its not helpful for me at all, put trips on me as to what I should be doing with my life. I need to own a store............NOT! I need to write a book............maybe and as a matter of fact I am writing a book but I doubt many people will read it and its ok with me if they dont. Anyway NOT! I need to go get on DR.Phil oh please help me with this one? Im a this or a that. This all happened to me in the past not recently.


None of it is really whats in my heart to be doing with the last years I have here. One thing is for sure I know I wont be a Joyce Meyer. If I knew her I know I could not get a long with her personally. Her personality and mine are so very different. Shes a mega disciplinarian, everything done at a certain time and a certain day. One of those people.........we'd really eventually butt heads......maybe.

Im not wanting to meet her or anything this is beginning to sound like I adore her or something. Not true, its just hey she's helping me and I like listening to her, its all good. I like how she uses a lot of scriptures and stories from the old testament to show that we are not alone here at all. She talks about her getting serious SA for many years and many places.......she laughs and says welcome to the Holy Spirit hospital, the church is for sick people not well people.

That was a cool thing to say. She also said theres a time for sermons, when someone is hurting thats NOT the time. Cool. We've all had that one. Then she said a lot on loneliness. She gave some startling statistics on suicide especially with young people. I struggle with it from time to time and its hard very hard to fight, had a huge bought of it this week, wasnt easy to pull out of but I did. Jesus in the chair.

Anyway does anybody else watch her? My former pastor would give me such a weird look everytime I mentioned her, like I was so dumb. Maybe he wasnt meaning that who knows I never in a million years could figure him out and why was I even trying?

Anyway shes been through a lot of my same issues and shes open about it. I appreciate that. I know shes had to been through hell because of opening up about those subjects.

Another thing I am doing lately is seeing all of my mistakes I made when I went to that church. When I look back on me when I went there Im like................what the heck was I thinking??????????????? It must have been temporary insanity.
Yep I was being me. Haha. In any case I shouldnt have expected anyone to understand me. Thats the other really meaningful thing she has been talking about is how we feel when nobody understands us. Ive always felt like that ALWAYS! I know my family didnt understand me growing up because hey I never told anyone anything........I didnt know you could? They didnt do it so why or how could I

So just up this morning looking forward to the day spending time with my new Daddy God. AND you guys so HI and have a good Friday ok, esp. you Janice, you are so in my thoughts.

Its finally cool down here. I might not be on this weekend and then again I might be because at least that will be my husbands lap top, not this thing. grrrrrrrrrrrrr downloaded the wrong virus protection.........I dont know what Im doing and there are no phone numbers anywhere for anything. Does anyone know Nortons or Symantecs phone number?

Reg
09-15-2006, 10:31 AM
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Anyway what I really wanted to say is I have been watching Joyce Meyer for a long time and I tell you, she is really helping me with a whole lot of things.

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Plus I want it to be Jesus Im following not a person in the first place so I try to stay away from it. This week with her has been so perfect for all of the things Im going through right now, the letting go, the persection, depressions etc.

I have only one thing to say a little negative about her teachings though and this is for us guys that dont 'make' it(?) Im sure she doesnt want to leave this impression but its so easy to see it this way from what she is saying.
If you do this and that thing you will end up like her! Money, fame, friends, family all there for you, huge ministry etc. Like I say I dont think she mens it to come out this way and plus maybe she will go on to talk about that this morning too I hope so but I dont believe that Gods people have to be in a lime light to be absolutely the most precious child to God.

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Anyway does anybody else watch her? My former pastor would give me such a weird look everytime I mentioned her, like I was so dumb. Maybe he wasnt meaning that who knows I never in a million years could figure him out and why was I even trying?
Hi Hornblower,

Glad Joyce has been helpful to you. She has helped many others also. Just realize where she’s
coming from. We have discussed here a lot about the Word of Faith ministries. Just want to make
sure your eyes are wide open. I don’t want to discourage you, just inform you. Like always, take
what you want and leave the rest.

Reg

Joyce Meyer

-Are you paying attention-

Since I have been asked about Joyce Meyer so often I find it necessary to comment on her
teaching. She is known as being one of the top women speakers, one who tells it like it is with a
frank but challenging way of putting things. She is an enigma in that she has some very good
practical information from experience and the Scripture. So there are good portions in her
teaching and there are some bad interpretations and experiences from her teachings that are to be
avoided. Meyer may not be completely engulfed in word faith teaching but she is yoked with
word faith teachers (in fellowship with Creflo Dollar, and Kenneth Copeland Copeland’s
magazine, The Believer’s Voice of Victory, has carried some of her articles) and her writings and
teachings have certainly been influenced by their theology. In her broadcast the first week of
January 2005 she interviewed a man giving testimony to Kenneth Hagin who is known for
spreading the word/faith heresy to his disciples...........see link below for more,,,,,,,,

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17.htm

And here’s some more info from The CRI.......

Joyce Meyer is a popular Pentecostal preacher living outside of St. Louis, MO, who has been in
fulltime ministry since 1980.[1] She is a best-selling author in the Christian market, and her
books cover everything from America’s Christian heritage to weight-loss. But she is perhaps best
known from her radio and television program, Life in the Word, both of which are broadcast
nationally and internationally

Meyer shares the platform from time to time with Word of Faith teachers like, for example,
Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, and T.D. Jakes.[5] CRI is critical of and
concerned with some of her practices and teachings.........more on link below......

http://www.equip.org/free/DM472.htm

Here’s the link where we discussed the WOF Thing..
http://www.christianrecovery.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1184&highlight=word+faith

And this one.....re "Word of Faith" movements....

http://www.christianrecovery.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3028&highlight=joyce+meyers

And finally, here’s one more.........word of faith organizations that send letters

http://www.christianrecovery.com/vb/showthread.php?t=623&highlight=joyce+meyers

hornblower
09-15-2006, 03:18 PM
Thankyou Reg........yeah I know I really dont like those guys. Ive NEVER absolutely NEVER been in any way shape or form a part of the word of faith movement to my own hurt many times. I dont have a whole lot of friends in the charismatic movement because of this. You know what else amazes me is how nobody will set them right either not being direspectful or anything to them but gosh they are very entrenched in it. I dont understand how they can be free and believe in such nonsense.


Ive heard her say.......that you cant just ignore that you are sick and not go to a doctor but thats when it gets vague.
What do you believe reg about this speaking it stuff? See to me its witchcraft. Im serious. My brother and his wife taught the occult at the communtiy college so wouldnt you say they were practising witches? I would. Now I know they dont like that term and they've made it into something cool sounding now and they laughed at me when I said that its nothing hut wirtchcraft, but its still control. Its controlling spiritual things and that is most definitely what they believed in. My brother passed away but his wife is still going strong.


Now here comes the christians doing exactly the same things! I cant stand it its such a lie! I guess she has to give in she thinks to them and believe it too in some way but...........in my opinion its wrong wrong wrong.
I tell you reg.......it bothers me a lot when I would go to church abnd someone there would be in to that and then its like it would really get into my head like condemning me somehow..........have you ever experienced that?

Reg
09-19-2006, 06:21 AM
Hornblower,

Basically, they and others are trying to twist the arm of God and make Him perform according to their idea of Him. God is God. His thoughts are higher than ours. It's the same tactic our abusers have used against us -Coercion.

COERCIVE PERSUASION is the tactic that has been used.

Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph. D. is a pioneer in this. She wrote a recovery article of the month in the Refocus Newsletter Vol. 4, No. 4, November/December 2003

How Thought Reform works

I'll send it to you or anyone else who wants it. Just PM me.

ex-shep
09-19-2006, 08:37 PM
Hornblower,

Basically, they and others are trying to twist the arm of God and make Him perform according to their idea of Him. God is God. His thoughts are higher than ours. It's the same tactic our abusers have used against us -Coercion.

COERCIVE PERSUASION is the tactic that has been used.

Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph. D. is a pioneer in this. She wrote a recovery article of the month in the Refocus Newsletter Vol. 4, No. 4, November/December 2003

How Thought Reform works

I'll send it to you or anyone else who wants it. Just PM me.

Excellent article. Highly reccomended. The ReFocus Newsletter is available as an email letter. It has several good articles on recovery. One can go to www.refocus.org to sign up. Also I will email the link when I get it.

hornblower
09-19-2006, 09:01 PM
thankyou reg and ex shep. I will definitely be studying all of this and maybe call these people here in Texas too. Thats what I need is a support group I think.