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Ontheroad
10-27-2004, 08:26 AM
Hi,

I just found this forum last week, after searching for sites about spiritual abuse and cult recovery. This seems like a good place. I'm not sure how to start, so I guess I'll give a background on myself and my former church:

Six months ago, I left my church of over 12 years. I was very involved, and leaving was a horrible, painful mess. Looking back, I can now see that the church always had problems; I just didn't know how to recognize them as such for a long time. The pastor became increasingly power-hungry and authoritative, repeatedly demanding "covenant" loyalty and both privately and publicly rebuking anyone who had any concerns or questions about him or "his" ministry. He verbally assaulted many of us, both privately and publicly, criticizing us, belittling us, and accusing us of things repeatedly that we never did or that were only sins in his twisted perception.

In addition to the abusive authority issues, it has been concretely proven with corroborating evidence and witnesses that he has embezzled more than $30,000 over the last few years. He also evaded taxes by grossly overstating his parsonage usage. Despite the fact that his embezzlement caused our little church to greatly suffer financially, he placed the blame on the congregation, saying numerous times that we were not "bearing enough responsiblity" and that our lack of giving showed the "condition of our hearts".

He also was arrested for a DUI for prescription painkillers and became addicted to Vicoden. He violated his probation for the DUI by keeping the details of his arrest secretive and lying about his addiction in order to obtain Vicoden from church members who were prescribed it for legitimate medical and surgical reasons. When he could not get enough of the drugs that way, he got it by having a church member steal a prescription pad from her doctor ex-husband, and asked her to write illegal prescriptions to obtain the painkillers, for which she was ultimately arrested and lost her law license. She covered up for the pastor when she was arrested, and he left her to take the fall alone.

Additionally, he and this same church member were prayer partners in an intercessory ministry focused on helping pray for people to come out of satanism. It has now been proven that over a 2-3 year period, the church member fabricated over 50 different personas that she would use to contact the pastor via e-mail. These fake persons would claim to be involved deeply in high-level satanism. The pastor would correspond with each "person", leading them to witness to them and counsel them out of satanism. Of course, all the while, the many "satanists" were reality the church member with whom he was praying. The two of them - the pastor and church member - would spend many hours interceding and praying for each "satanist" until each one, via e-mail correspondence, would relate that they had seen the light and were leaving satanism. This was a horribly deceptive and evil thing this church member did, and numerous ones of us in the church repeatedly went to the pastor to tell him that we suspected that these "satanists" were not real people, but were actually the church member pretending to be the satanists. The pastor would refuse to listen. Instead, he would berate us questioning ones for daring to question his discernment and authority and for accusing the church member of something so evil. Well, in February of this year, it was technologically proven that this church member indeed had fabricated each and every one of the "satanists", creating their respective e-mail addresses and maintaining correspondence with the pastor that would create a self-confirming intercessory ministry between her and the pastor, that their many hours of prayer were effectively getting people saved and out of satanism. Myself and another person from our church proved that the IP's of every e-mail address originated from and traced back to the church member's home or work computers. Her work was alerted to her unethical and illegal usage of computers to help perpetrate the falsified e-mails. The computer tech guy at her work was able to, without her knowledge, get screens shots of her keystrokes, concretely showing her fingers typing the fake e-mails. The pastor refused to believe the evidence. Instead, he maintains that he and the church member have been "set up" to make it appear that she fabricated the e-mails. He is too prideful to admit that he was conned and in turn refused to heed others' counsel, thus making him a part of the hoax by his willful blindness.

Yet in spite of all of this, he stayed in the pulpit. He was asked to step down, which he refused to do. Some of us have left. Some are refusing to see the truth and are continuing to believe his lies. I only pray that they will allow their eyes to be opened. It is a sad, grievous situation.

There is actually quite a bit more, but I think I've written perhaps too much for a first post. I hope it was OK to write what I did.

My family and I are now attending a different church, and for the first time, I am starting to see what a healthy church and pastor truly are like. But I'm still reeling and hurting from the whole mess.

Thanks,

Ontheroad
(to freedom, truth, and healing...)

Voyager
10-27-2004, 09:20 AM
Ontheroad,

Your story sounds VERY similar to mine. I even spent the same amount of time at my former church as you did (12 years). I left in 1998 before all of the dirty laundry was revealed. I was shunned and blacklisted as a result. About six months ago, all of the stories of deception, control, abuse, and embezzlement were exposed to the congregation, and the pastor was removed. The church went from 450 people down to less than 100. I doubt that it will last much longer. The leader that provided the "glue" to keep the place together (fear, guilt, and manipulation) is gone now. The people don't know how to act without it.

Welcome to the forum!

:cool:

Savedbygrace
10-27-2004, 09:23 AM
There is actually quite a bit more, but I think I've written perhaps too much for a first post. I hope it was OK to write what I did.

My family and I are now attending a different church, and for the first time, I am starting to see what a healthy church and pastor truly are like. But I'm still reeling and hurting from the whole mess.


((((On the Road))))

Thank you for your post. Your fears of your post "not being alright" probably stem from the way you have been programmed to fear talking about this sick church and "pastor". This is a safe place, post what you need to share in order to heal. There is healing in sharing this pain and deception, and abuse you and your family endured. No need to apologize... you did nothing wrong.

I can relate to the reeling and pain you are feeling. So glad you found the strength to get out... You are in my prayers that God has placed you in a new more loving church home. Take refuge in his loving arms. Find healing here, where others have been through this type of abuse, also and can understand.

In His love,

Trish

Florence
10-27-2004, 09:57 AM
Welcome Ontheroad,
Glad you found your way here. Your post has got me remembering and thinking about my own experiences.

As I read your post, I couldn't help but wonder about the relationship between the pastor and his female intercessory prayer partner. Maybe this is way off base, but in my first abusive church, it was finally discovered about a year after we left, that the pastor was 6 months into an affair - the 3rd that his wife knew about (how many more was he able to keep hidden?). That seems to be a common factor in many abusive situations - especially if the pastor is, as you say, "power hungry and authoritative." These guys seem to prey on not only entire congregations, but on individuals, as well, who will feed their need. Just a thought.

I have been in two abusive churches - the first much more blatant than the second - and one of the things that has been quite prominent in both is that fact that the pastor surrounds himself with "yes" people who never question anything that he does. He also makes sure they are people with money, status, and power themselves within the church and the community - doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc. You might be a "little" 'yes' person, but if you don't have these other things going for you or at least a tremendous ability in a particular area (such as music) that will make him look good, you will never be spiritual enough for him. Money and fame equal nearness to God, I guess. Do you see any of these characteristics in your old church?

I actually thought my second church was healthy - and perhaps it was at first. But, over time it went from 350 attenders to 2500. The senior pastor was bestowed with the title of CEO about a year and a half ago and then things really began to change. The fact that 8 out of 30 full-time staff members have quit in the past year should be telling enough. The senior pastor, his top-of-the-food-chain, hand-picked executive committee and replacement staff are going full-throttle into the "authority, power-hungry" mode. I think it will be a while, and maybe never, before anyone of substance catches on and if they do, it will be nearly impossible for them to get anyone else to "see the light."

So, just a word of caution to everyone out there who thinks they might have happened on a "healthy" church - keep your eyes open. It may not stay healthy. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away, know when to run.

Again, welcome
Florence

Shadow
10-27-2004, 10:04 AM
Hello OnTheRoad:

Welcome to the forum. I don't have much to share as I am working through my stuff of whether I was really abused or whether I belong here or whether I don't but I can tell you this is a great bunch of folks. We have all had our ups and downs on the forums but the support to one another is there. Actually the support that I had always hoped for in my church and was told that I needed to depend on God for.

Your story was very sad and disheartening and I pray your road to recovery becomes paved with better paths than what you have already taken. It never feels good to be the recepient of the spiritual authority misused and abused. It is hard to believe that a place considered safe could end up to be such a painful experience.

May you feel the love of GOD and the loving support of the forum through this difficult time and your first post was not in any way too long. When I first started this forum several months ago the people said to share what I felt comfortable sharing and so that is what I did and I pray that we can learn from you and you can learn from us and together we can make a difference in each other and to those who are hurting and need to be reached.

GOD BLESS,

Jerry
10-27-2004, 08:45 PM
Dear Ontheroad,,,,,
Wow,,,,that guy you wrote about is a "Real piece of work" I am just glad your free of that ,and glad you decieded to post here ,,,,,,WELCOME
Love Jerry

ex-shep
10-27-2004, 08:59 PM
Welcome aboard. It is always sad to hear of such stories. The good news you are out and enroute to a new freedom and a new happiness. Recovery is painful process, but does pay great dividends in the long run, even though it does not feel like it now.

Rest assured you are not alone. We have all been there, seen it, done that and got the T-shirt. Feel free to share what is ever on your heart and mind. I am usually on late at night. I work second shift. So like to cover the graveyard shift on line. Only because like to. Virtual coffee pot is also brewing. Tea kettle for the international and northern New England members. No cookies I am afraid. They were deleted off the hard drive. :)

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:36 AM
Ontheroad,

Your story sounds VERY similar to mine. I even spent the same amount of time at my former church as you did (12 years). I left in 1998 before all of the dirty laundry was revealed. I was shunned and blacklisted as a result. About six months ago, all of the stories of deception, control, abuse, and embezzlement were exposed to the congregation, and the pastor was removed. The church went from 450 people down to less than 100. I doubt that it will last much longer. The leader that provided the "glue" to keep the place together (fear, guilt, and manipulation) is gone now. The people don't know how to act without it.

Welcome to the forum!

:cool:
Dear Voyager,

Wow....our storied are very similar. Kinda eerie, isn't it? :confused: I'm sorry that you went through similar things. I hope that the rest of the people there get out, now that the "glue" as you put it, is gone. It is very sad that leaders some won't use the Word, the Lord, and His love as the glue to hold a church together, but instead result to using controll and fear to force a church to hold together.

Thank you for the welcome,
Ontheroad

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:39 AM
((((On the Road))))

Thank you for your post. Your fears of your post "not being alright" probably stem from the way you have been programmed to fear talking about this sick church and "pastor". This is a safe place, post what you need to share in order to heal. There is healing in sharing this pain and deception, and abuse you and your family endured. No need to apologize... you did nothing wrong.

I can relate to the reeling and pain you are feeling. So glad you found the strength to get out... You are in my prayers that God has placed you in a new more loving church home. Take refuge in his loving arms. Find healing here, where others have been through this type of abuse, also and can understand.

In His love,

Trish
Trish,

Thank you for welcoming me and for reassuring me that my post was OK. I think you're definitely right - that I was programmed to fear talking about what happened. I bet most of us coming out of abusive churches experienced that. Grrrr.... :mad:

Thank you for your kind words,

Ontheroad

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:42 AM
[QUOTE=Florence]Welcome Ontheroad,
Glad you found your way here. Your post has got me remembering and thinking about my own experiences.

As I read your post, I couldn't help but wonder about the relationship between the pastor and his female intercessory prayer partner. Maybe this is way off base, but in my first abusive church, it was finally discovered about a year after we left, that the pastor was 6 months into an affair - the 3rd that his wife knew about (how many more was he able to keep hidden?). That seems to be a common factor in many abusive situations - especially if the pastor is, as you say, "power hungry and authoritative." These guys seem to prey on not only entire congregations, but on individuals, as well, who will feed their need. Just a thought.

Florence,

You're right about the pastor. I hadn't included it in my original post, but there were e-mails that were found that the pastor and the intercessory member had written to each other which indicated a very inappropriate relationship. I think it's one reason that they are so codependent on each other and why everything got so confused and twisted. It's all so sick....

I'm sorry for your experiences and the hurt you had in your churches. Thank you for the caution to be careful about churches that seem safe. I pray and truly hope that my current new church is safe. I feel like it is so far and I'm learning alot from the sermons, but I am keeping a prayerful eye on it.

Ontheroad

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:44 AM
Hello OnTheRoad:

Welcome to the forum. I don't have much to share as I am working through my stuff of whether I was really abused or whether I belong here or whether I don't but I can tell you this is a great bunch of folks. We have all had our ups and downs on the forums but the support to one another is there. Actually the support that I had always hoped for in my church and was told that I needed to depend on God for.

Your story was very sad and disheartening and I pray your road to recovery becomes paved with better paths than what you have already taken. It never feels good to be the recepient of the spiritual authority misused and abused. It is hard to believe that a place considered safe could end up to be such a painful experience.

May you feel the love of GOD and the loving support of the forum through this difficult time and your first post was not in any way too long. When I first started this forum several months ago the people said to share what I felt comfortable sharing and so that is what I did and I pray that we can learn from you and you can learn from us and together we can make a difference in each other and to those who are hurting and need to be reached.

GOD BLESS,

Shadow,

Thank you for your welcome and for helping me feel more comfortable in posting here. I have already learned from reading the posts here, and I hope I can contribute as well here.

Ontheroad

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:45 AM
Dear Ontheroad,,,,,
Wow,,,,that guy you wrote about is a "Real piece of work" I am just glad your free of that ,and glad you decieded to post here ,,,,,,WELCOME
Love Jerry

Jerry,

Yep, he was indeed a real piece of work...unbelievable how he still excuses all of his behavior. He justifies it and blames everyone else around him. I am so, so, so glad that I am away from all of it. I just still get angry and saddened that it all happened. :(

Thank you for welcoming me,

Ontheroad

Ontheroad
10-28-2004, 06:47 AM
Welcome aboard. It is always sad to hear of such stories. The good news you are out and enroute to a new freedom and a new happiness. Recovery is painful process, but does pay great dividends in the long run, even though it does not feel like it now.

Rest assured you are not alone. We have all been there, seen it, done that and got the T-shirt. Feel free to share what is ever on your heart and mind. I am usually on late at night. I work second shift. So like to cover the graveyard shift on line. Only because like to. Virtual coffee pot is also brewing. Tea kettle for the international and northern New England members. No cookies I am afraid. They were deleted off the hard drive. :)

Ex-Shep,

I like what you said about recovery paying great dividends in the long run. I just wish the "run" wasn't so long..... ;)

I love hot tea, so I may help myslef to your vitural tea kettle next time, though I'm not from New England. We southerners like our tea iced or hot too!

Thank you for welcoming me,

Ontheroad

ex-shep
10-28-2004, 02:17 PM
I just wish the "run" wasn't so long..... ;)

I love hot tea, so I may help myslef to your vitural tea kettle next time, though I'm not from New England. We southerners like our tea iced or hot too!

Thank you for welcoming me,

Ontheroad[/QUOTE]

It does seem interminable. I am grieving the loss of a friend to a shepherding group-- 20 years ago. I was driving home from a meeting and had to pull over to collect myself.

I remember sweet tea year round when I lived part time in Stephenville. TX. There was fried chicken francshise which prided themselves on tea. Name has changed, but not the tea. Ah, Memories.