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Voyager
05-09-2006, 12:14 AM
This guy has got to be one of the most horrific spiritual abusers in history! Did anyone else watch AC360 and Larry King Live tonight? Both of these programs focused on this guy and the damage he has done to thousands of people. He is now on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List, with a $100,000.00 price on his head. Here is an online article that I found on this guy:

Warren Jeffs

The current 'prophet' and leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) is Warren Steed Jeffs.

In June, 2005, Warren Jeffs "was indicted on charges that he arranged a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a man who was already married."

Earlier, law enforcement agents have attempted to serve papers on Jeffs regarding two civil actions: "Two lawsuits are pending in Utah against Warren Jeffs, the church's prophet and leader. One complaint, by a nephew, accuses Jeffs of sodomy. Another, filed by former members of the church, alleges a cover-up of child-sex abuse."

However, since Jeffs is in hiding, he is considered a fugutive. In July, 2005, the FBI joined the search for him, and the states of Arizona and Utah announced a $10,000 reward for information leading to his arrest.

The arrest warrant for Warren Jeffs, president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has raised fears of a violent showdown between authorities and the volatile, 49-year-old leader reminiscent of the deadly 1993 standoff at Waco, Tex.
Source: Leader of B.C. sect flees in polygamy case The Globe and Mail, June 16, 2005.

Thou Shalt Obey

Jeffs - who even before becoming a fugitive was reclusive - rules his cult with an iron fist, making outrageous demands and expelling anyone who disobeys (as well as those whom he considers to be a threat).

Since succeeding his father as FLDS leader in 2002, Warren Jeffs has tightened the grip on his followers in part by casting out "sinners".

As principal of Alta Academy for 22 years, Warren Jeffs was a stickler for the little things. Sloppy handwriting, an untucked shirttail, a bad grade -- all were signs of a personal flaw that needed to be confessed, corrected and often punished.

Now, as president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the scope of his dominion has grown from 300 students in the Salt Lake Valley to 10,000 people on the Arizona Strip.

His discipline has hardened into law, and his goal is perfection on earth. To err is to risk one's eternal salvation.

"I believe Warren is trying to accomplish something that even God hasn't heretofore," said a close associate. "To be able to pull together a captive group of followers who are measured by a mortal man as being perfectly united in mind and body and purpose."

The church he heads is one of Utah's largest, and most insular, fundamentalist faiths that follow early teachings of LDS Church founder Joseph Smith, including plural marriage.

Jeffs assumed leadership of the FLDS church in 2002 after the death of his 92-year-old father, Rulon Jeffs.

But he has helped shape the sect for many years, first as an educator, then as spokesman for his ailing father and now as its leader.

In one 1995 tape, Jeffs lectures on the need to be "perfectly obedient and come out of the world" to avoid apostasy and reiterates a well-worn theme about following a single, God-anointed leader -- at the time, his father. "That one man is as God over the people and has the right to rule in all areas of life," Jeffs says.

Today, Jeffs is intent on making it clear he is that one man -- even as some dispute his claim to authority -- and on defining what perfect obedience entails.

Jeffs is a tall, lanky man whose church-sermon cadence is described as mesmerizing; even critics compliment his skills as an orator.

He is estimated to have around 40 wives, at least a dozen of whom were formerly married to his father, and about 56 children. Most of his time is spent managing church affairs, but he also is described as an accomplished singer/songwriter.

Among Jeffs' credits are "Zion from Above" and "He Will Be Renewed," an ode to his father. He has embellished several well-known LDS hymns with new verses.

And, accompanied by some wives, he has produced tapes and CDs that are available to followers.

Rulon and Warren Jeffs moved to Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz. in 1998, when they began to predict that the Apocalypse was near and the Salt Lake Valley had a bull's-eye on it. More pointedly, some say Warren pushed the move as a prelude to taking over the church.

Age and a series of strokes were taking their toll on Rulon Jeffs, and Warren Jeffs began to deliver messages that routinely began with the words: "This is what Father wants me to tell you."

Some directives came over the pulpit. Others were delivered in personal interviews, as many as 50 a day, with families or individuals who made sure not a button or collar was out of place, that sleeves were pulled just so to reveal a bit of the long undergarments worn by the faithful. Some sessions were recorded, including those in which members were challenged about misdeeds.

Critics view Jeffs as a usurper and believe some of Rulon's last "decisions" were merely his son's machinations, such as the 2000 demand that followers pull their children from public schools and an order that Salt Lake City FLDS members move to Hildale and Colorado City before the 2002 Winter Olympics, which, it was said, would forever corrupt the state.

Another example: Some say Warren orchestrated Rulon's dismissal of Winston Blackmore as leader of the FLDS' Canadian branch in 2002, removing both a rival and a more senior leader.

With Jeffs' ascendancy, the mantle of authority passed not to the next most worthy senior man, as it has historically, but in the father-to-son ascendancy of a monarchy.

"What we witnessed was a power play," said Ezra Draper, one of Rulon Jeffs' many grandchildren, who moved last June from Colorado City to Bonners Ferry, Idaho, after becoming disillusioned with Jeffs.

"Through careful manipulation he was able to disqualify, on false accusations, one person after another."

So it may not be surprising that Jeffs travels with an entourage of bodyguards.

Under Warren, Rulon's admonishments have become gospel, which some find unnervingly difficult even as they are cast as the way to salvation.

Rulon Jeffs advised people to limit television viewing and suggested getting rid of their TVs if that proved impossible. Warren Jeffs demanded they toss out their sets, along with VCRs, video games and Internet connections. Period.

Jeffs also banned community recreational activities, such as basketball games, that take members away from home. (Schoolyard basketball standards were removed within a day of that edict, some say.)

"Everything he has done was to take things to an extreme," said Richard Holm, one of dozens of men Jeffs has banished in a series of "adjustments" that are becoming the hallmark of his presidency.

Parents were told to scrap most children's books -- including Bible and Book of Mormon storybooks -- and videos, particularly those involving fantasy or that depicted animals with human characteristics.

Women especially feel pressure to keep their homes tidy, their children in check, behavior controlled -- pressure that often is unbearable.

Jeffs has instructed adults to quit patronizing distant restaurants, calling it a waste of time and money. He has scrapped community and holiday celebrations -- from marking past leaders' birthdays to Pioneer Day festivities -- along with dances, socials and other get-togethers.

And people have been warned that laughter causes the spirit of God to leak from their bodies, amplifying an obscure tenet in Joseph Smith's Doctrine and Covenants.

In a kinder light, Jeffs' actions can be seen as attempts to fulfill the long-standing prediction of his ecclesiastical forefathers: In order to be spared the Apocalypse that will precede the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the church needs a select group of true believers who are pure and perfect in following its teachings.

Of late, Jeffs is said to have suggested that members not bother reading scriptures or listening to tapes and instead rely solely on his instructions, which, he says, are inspired of God.

Most FLDS members are willing to do whatever it takes to be part of that great event regardless of how their actions may be interpreted by outsiders.

I am glad to see spiritual abuse getting publicity on national news programs. I hope they catch this guy and put him away for life.

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Voyager
05-09-2006, 12:25 AM
Another recent news article on this guy:

Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available for older men, Utah officials claim.

Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families again or go to heaven.

The 10,000-strong FLDS, which broke away from the Mormon church in 1890 when the mainstream faith disavowed polygamy, believes a man must marry at least three women to go to heaven. The sect appeared to be in turmoil yesterday, after its assets were frozen last week and a warrant was issued in Arizona on Friday for the arrest of its autocratic leader, Warren Jeffs, for arranging a wedding between an underage girl and a 28-year-old man who was already married.

Mr Jeffs is also being sued by lawyers for six of the Lost Boys for conspiracy to purge surplus males from the community, and by his nephew, Brent Jeffs, who accuses him of sexual abuse.

Warren Jeffs' whereabouts yesterday were uncertain, but Utah officials said they believed he may be hiding in an FLDS compound near Eldorado, Texas, and they have contacted the Texan authorities.

Some have voiced concern that an attempt to corner the sect leader could provoke a tragedy like the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas.

Jim Hill, an investigator in Utah's attorney general's office, told The Guardian yesterday: "From everything I've been able to discern about Warren Jeffs, he is someone who is capable of some very different things. Whether that includes a mass suicide, I don't know. But I worry about it all the time."

FLDS officials and the sect's lawyer, Rodney Parker, did not return calls seeking comment, but have previously argued that the Lost Boys were exiled from their communities because they were teenage delinquents who refused to keep the sect's rules.

Mr Hill said although the boys may have been rebellious, their expulsion had more to do with the ruthless sexual arithmetic of a polygamous sect.

"Obviously if you're going to have three to one or four to one female to male marriages, you're going to run out of females. The way of taking care of it is selectively casting out those you don't want to be in the religion," the investigator said.

Dave Bills, who runs Smiles for Diversity, a foundation in Salt Lake City set up by an ex-FLDS member to look after the Lost Boys, said it was difficult to estimate their numbers because they had been scattered. But Mr Bills said the figures could be "as low as 400 and as high as 1,000".

"They live every day like it's their last day and they don't care about anything," Mr Bills said. "They're told they won't have three wives, and they're doomed. But they all want to go back to their mums."

One of the boys, Gideon Barlow, said he was expelled from a FLDS community in Colorado City, Arizona, for wearing short-sleeved shirts, listening to CDs and having a girlfriend. He said his mother rejected him on orders from the sect's leaders.

"I couldn't see how my mum would let them do what they did to me," he told the Los Angeles Times. After his expulsion, he attempted to give her a Mother's Day present but she told him to stay away. "I am dead to her now," he said.

Joanne Suder, a lawyer representing some of the Lost Boys in a case against the sect, said there had been "a conspiracy to excommunicate young boys to change the arithmetic so there are more young girls available for polygamy."

She said some of the boys were simply driven out of town and dumped on the side of the road, leaving them traumatised. "I think anyone who finds themselves ousted from the only environment they ever knew and left in the middle of nowhere, and then is not allowed to be with their family and loved ones, and is led to believe that they can no longer go to heaven, is going to be troubled," Ms Suder told The Guardian.

Polygamy is illegal in the US, but the authorities have been wary of confronting the FLDS for fear of provoking a siege or inviting political attacks for religious persecution.

State investigators have also found it hard to persuade FLDS members to give evidence against Mr Jeffs. However, authorities in Utah and Arizona have recently increased the pressure on the sect's leader, Last week, a Utah judge froze FLDS assets, and the attorney's office in Mohave County, Arizona, charged Mr Jeffs for arranging a marriage between a 28-year-old married and a 16-year-old girl. If convicted he could serve up to two years in prison.

Mr Jeffs inherited the leadership of the FLDS three years ago after the death of his father, Rulon. Since then, he has ruled its enclaves on the Arizona-Utah border, in Texas and Canada with fearsome discipline. At the age of 49 he has reportedly fathered at least 56 children by 40 wives.

There have been no confirmed sightings of Mr Jeffs for over a year, but a photograph of a man resembling the sect leader was taken in January at the FLDS 1,700-acre Texas ranch near Eldorado.

Randy Mankin, the editor of the local newspaper, the Eldorado Success, said: "People on the ranch don't have contact with the outside world. Two men only do whatever is necessary to do their business."

What is the FLDS?

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints split off from the Mormon church in 1890, when the mainstream faith disavowed polygamy.

The sect has communes in Utah, Arizona, Texas and Canada. It is the biggest polygamous group in the US.

What does the FLDS believe?

Polygamy allows a higher birth rate, increasing the "righteous" population. No man can go to heaven if he has less than three wives. The sect believes black people are inferior, the offspring of Cain. It teaches that America was first colonised by a lost tribe of Israelites and was visited by Jesus after his resurrection.

Who runs the sect?

Warren Jeffs, 49, inherited the leadership in 2002 after his father, Rulon, died. He has pursued a hard line against sect members deemed to fall short of "perfection", and has purged hundreds from the ranks, mostly men and boys. He is estimated to have 40 wives and 56 children. His whereabouts are uncertain but he is widely thought to be holed up in the FLDS compound outside El Dorado, Texas.

Who are the "lost boys"?

Among those purged from the sect are between 400 and 1,000 teenage boys and young men. The FLDS describes them as delinquents. Utah authorities say they were thrown out to make more girls available as wives for older men in the sect.

I hope that some of these victims find this forum or one like it. They are going to need a lot of support.

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Willow
05-09-2006, 06:40 AM
Wow!!! I hadn't heard of this sect or this man. I wonder how many more like them are out there? Age 13 is a very tender age for these boys to be dealing with such a huge rejection :(

SpinningHead
05-09-2006, 08:39 AM
I saw him in America's Most Wanted and then on one of the magazine news shows.

One thought that struck me was, if authorities are concerned about religeous prosecution regarding their beliefs...why not go after the parents individually for child abandonment? I saw how they take boys as young as 14, drive them to the city limits or just beyond on some desert highway and just drop them off. Sometimes with luggage, sometimes with just the clothes on their backs.

While having the parents in custody, they could begin to de-brainwash them...

Just a thought. I'm sure (I hope) it's more complicated than all that.

That man is some kind of pure evil! :mad: I hope they catch him and catch him soon!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

hornblower
05-09-2006, 10:32 AM
This Im sure is coming out because of the terrific new sitcom on HBO called BIG LOVE! Its fasinating! Ive been wanting praying for these buggers to get what they deserve for ever.

Not just them but pardon me the entire mormon chiurch. I dont mean I want anyone to get hurt but when I see these people around town knocking on my door etc. Im wondering what is the deal here??????????
Also the ones I have come into contact with seem to have an almost supernatural peace its all very interesting.

Not from the standpoint of me wanting what they have but from the stanbdpoint of they own their own state and have tremendous pull in the government. In any case Big Love is a smash hit. Its making news everywhere because all of this stuff has always been so hidden. There is a mafia type situation in the story and this old man has a 13 year old girl living with him.

Along with maybe over twenty wives. It shows the disfunctionality of living in a poligamous situation. Its very R rated so dont watch it if that bothers you.
My husband didnt believe it was for real. He kept saying this is against the law etc. yeah well there s a lot that goes on thats against the law that nobody does didly squat about.

Not only are these boys discarded but women are in a form of slavery. They are ditched beside the road too along with their children. This is all very true. Way over due is what I say. Sin needs to be exposed and God will do it in one form or another one way or another even if it takes HBO to do it.:D

Doug64
05-09-2006, 01:16 PM
There have been several news stories about the different polygamist groups the last couple of years. Some of these men have 12 or 14 wives all living in the same house together.
They elude the authorities by not having public marriages - often middle aged men marrying girls in their teens or younger - forced (arranged) marriages.

A few of the women have escaped and gone to the authorities but the cities are guarded and no one will talk to an outsider. They seem to consider Jeffs a prophet or something.

Doug

newlife
05-09-2006, 08:11 PM
I first heard about the FLDS and Warren Jeffs last year when 2 teenage girls escaped the cult and they were on Dr. Phil's show. A friend of mine thought that I might be interested in the program so she videotaped it for me. Both of girls' names were Fawn. Here's a website about that story: http://www.childbrides.org/fawns_sltrib_Fawns_on_Dr_Phil.html. These girls were going to have to marry older men and they escaped and ran away together. Dr. Phil's program basically gave the facts that are stated in these articles. The sad thing is, these girls believed that they are going to hell because they left the group! :mad:

Another shocking thing that was stated on the program was that parents would hold their babies' heads under water to get them to stop crying in church!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I hope that they catch this man!!! I also hope that there's not another Waco or Jonestown...:(

Voyager
05-09-2006, 08:31 PM
The sad thing is, these girls believed that they are going to hell because they left the group!
That is one of the most effective and psychologically destructive tools that these spiritual abusers use. This guy pulled close to 1,000 of these "lost boys" away from their homes and communities between the ages of 13 and 18 and banned them from the community. They even used police officers who were members of the sect to take these boys to a different town and forbade them from ever coming back to their families or the group. 90% of these "lost boys" were convinced that they were cursed by God Himself and destined for hell.

:(

newlife
05-09-2006, 08:42 PM
Yeah, Dr. Phil also had a segment on the program about the "lost boys" and they had one of them tell his story...It was an excellent program. I don't usually watch Dr. Phil and I wouldn't have even seen this one if my friend hadn't videotaped it for me. But if you get a chance to see it, I'd recommend it.

Can you imagine how traumatized these boys are??? The boy on the program tried to contact his family and he was basically disowned by them...talk about rejection!

How very, very sad!!!

Voyager
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Can you imagine how traumatized these boys are??? The boy on the program tried to contact his family and he was basically disowned by them...talk about rejection!
I think you just depicted exactly why many of us were hurt so deeply when our church families rejected us. My church family was my family, because I had no other family to speak of. When they rejected me, it was like facing the ultimate rejection from God and His people. It was traumatizing. I can certainly relate with these "lost boys".

Now that I have been educated, I realize that God did not reject me. But that didn't diminish the pain and trauma that I went through in 1998. However, time has helped me recover and the pain is nothing like it used to be. For several years I was literally emotionally disabled from the pain of losing everyone and everything in my life.

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Jerry
05-09-2006, 10:31 PM
I am glad to see spiritual abuse getting publicity on national news programs. I hope they catch this guy and put him away for life.

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Naw,,,,,,,,,,I hope some cop has to put a bullett in him ;)

Voyager
05-10-2006, 12:03 AM
Wouldn't you like to see him stripped of his power and demoralized in prison Jerry? Death would be too easy for him. I think this guy needs to spend some time humbled in a 6' x 8' cell. Like about 100 years.

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Janice
05-10-2006, 02:02 AM
Hubby and I have joked about this more then once.

We love each other to death but...there is no way he wants more then 1 wife at a time ;) and I definately do not want more then 1 hubby at a time! :D

Zoe
05-10-2006, 06:14 AM
Child Brides (http://www.childbrides.org/) - more on Jeffs.

newlife
05-10-2006, 08:57 AM
Wouldn't you like to see him stripped of his power and demoralized in prison Jerry? Death would be too easy for him. I think this guy needs to spend some time humbled in a 6' x 8' cell. Like about 100 years.

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Yeah, I read that the cult leader of that cult in Japan (the one that put the poisonous gas in a Japanese subway and several people died) is now in prison and he's basically gone crazy--not to say he wasn't crazy before :rolleyes: . He doesn't speak coherently, goes to the bathroom on himself, etc. That's what happens to these guys when they're stripped of their power.

I agree with you, Voyager...like about 100 years! :D

newlife

newlife
05-10-2006, 09:00 AM
Here's an article on Rick Ross' website about a new law for the "lost boys": http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy446.html

aftermath
05-11-2006, 02:07 PM
don't forget to pray you guys, for these people, the nephew, and all the victims.

Carmen
05-13-2006, 09:00 AM
:eek: :eek:

Don't think I heard of that guy specifically, but have heard of ex-Mormons out there living in authoritarian polygamous groups. They are cults of a cult, a double whammy. I agree, we should at least pray for those boys and hurt families not to mention the girls that are forced to marry those polygamous bastards. :eek:

I hope the police are looking for him in South America or on this side of the ocean too, who knows if he might not try to emigrate somewhere and control the group from afar, or start metastizing. :eek:

Jesus, come quick!