TV Preacher promotes whipping children

[aftermath]

Yes, today I listened to a preacher on the television preach about how diciplining with speech is not enough. He said that parents have to take off their belts and whip their children. "God is a whipping God".

He also quoted a scripture promoting this harsh method of dicipline. However, he replaced "servant" with "children". Thus teaching everyone in his audience that their little people, their little itty bitty babies who are just learning about the world and need moms and dads to go home to for love, are merely servants, to whip.


Damn man.

I've half a mind to gain whatever qualifies a preacher to become one and go out into the world with a vengence preaching against these types of misused abusive teachings and preachers. I pray God brings this man to shame. If anyone else was hurt by abusive teachings I hope you pray that God corrects this man too.

Because there were a lot of young parents sitting in the pews hushed, but nodding their head in agreement.

Some of them were smiling. Why? Does anyone here agree that it is right to whip children and promote it as "God"????? The sunday school teacher at the church I go to teaches the children about love and confidence. I like that better.

[ninaspirit]

Yes, today I listened to a preacher on the television preach about how diciplining with speech is not enough. He said that parents have to take off their belts and whip their children. "God is a whipping God".

He also quoted a scripture promoting this harsh method of dicipline. However, he replaced "servant" with "children". Thus teaching everyone in his audience that their little people, their little itty bitty babies who are just learning about the world and need moms and dads to go home to for love, are merely servants, to whip.


Damn man.

I've half a mind to gain whatever qualifies a preacher to become one and go out into the world with a vengence preaching against these types of misused abusive teachings and preachers. I pray God brings this man to shame. If anyone else was hurt by abusive teachings I hope you pray that God corrects this man too.

Because there were a lot of young parents sitting in the pews hushed, but nodding their head in agreement.

Some of them were smiling. Why? Does anyone here agree that it is right to whip children and promote it as "God"????? The sunday school teacher at the church I go to teaches the children about love and confidence. I like that better.


can you write a letter to some one about this preacher and the families where they live? for the children. and pray to for protection for the children. cant say more. ninas.

[aftermath]

That's a really good idea!!!!!

I just discovered another huge error. He is teaching parents to play God, rather then teaching parents to be servants/children/diciples of God. He is teaching them to take Gods wrath and vengeance into their own hands, rather then striving to be christ-like= our model. Can you imagine Jesus whipping John or Peter?

Our society evolves and embraces new and better ways all the time.

Such as anti-abuse teachings. Every generation learns from the one before it, and learns MORE, and I perceive that this preacher must as learn as well.

He is not the wrath of God, and should not be teaching people to be the wrath of God. Oh this man is being deceived. Please pray with me that it ends. It really hurts to get hurt from the ones that are suppose to take care of you.

"From the mouth of babes..."

[hornblower]

actually aftermath spanking saved my life and my childrens lives. Im not an abuser of children but my little girl was so spoiled because I never got spankings until I was so far gone that my Dad half beat me to death.........not really but to hear my sister tell it thats what he did.

Im not saying that what he is saying (this preacher)is right but I cannot say either that I think spanking if done the right way is always wrong. I instituted spanking when I had gone through I dont know how many counselors telling me now sit your little girl in a chair when she is throwing a fit. When my daughter was about four years old she would throw huge tantrums anytime she didnt get her way. Like if she wanted some candy and it was time for dinner or whatever..... you cannot give children their own way all of the time.

Anyway Im sorry I didnt hear this man. I find it unbelievable in this day and time that he would dare say it.
Its so unvogue to spank any more. People are arresting people for it. But nobody seems to think twice about a parents paying for everything the same child does wrong................... thats ok.

Here is my way of raising children. Love them and keep them clean and neat and feed them good healthy meals. Very little sugar if any. Read a lot to them. Hold them and love them, play with them as much as you can. Teach them to clean up their rooms and to always tell the truth. Get them to brush their teeth. Teach them to play nicely with other children and to be loyal and kind, loving to their siblings. Give them lots of constructive things to do. Monitor the TV. Watch them play outside everyday fresh air is good for them.
Keep a clean neat house but not too much if it stresses you out...get them to help you by playing games when you clean. Make things fun to do.
Dont ever make fun of them or put them down. If you are having a bad day ask them to help you and be honest about it, enjoy your children.
Dont yell its not nessesary. In fact if they misbehave get very quiet and whisper to them the right thing to do as if its just between the two of you.
Tell them about Jesus and pray and give them to the Lord everyday and thank God for them.

They are your gift from Him and they dont stay with you very long.
If you do all of these things and they still dont do right then pray for an answer. If the answer is to spank them. Tell them what you are going to do and talk to them about it.

Give them a chance to change their attitude. If they are below three years old never hit them in any way........maybe even older is too young. Pray hard about this its very serious.
Now here is what I did and it works. Give them a chance to stop doing what they are doing. Tell them if you dont behave Mommy is going to have to spank you. Not because she wants too but because you cant seem to stop doing what you are now doing.

So you need some help to remember this to stop. I will count to three and if you have not stopped I will spank you. 1 2 3 spank. You may go to your room and cry for awhile I know that hurts so please dont ever do that thing again.
I spanked my children maybe twice in their whole lifetime. I never had to do it again. They just needed to know that I was the Mother and they were my
children.

I never got spankings I got beatings because I was uncontrollable and my parents didnt know what to do with me.
If you can get your children to behave the right way by time out or talking to them thats nice but I couldnt so this was what I learned to do. I learned it from a little book a lady gave me.

I agree with you that most of the time most people probably do it wrong. But thats not the spanking thats because they are stupid!
I dont believe in power of me ME ME........understand but I do believe in self control which I wish with all of my heart that I had grown up with.
There is discipline in real love. God disciplines us because He loves us.
I wont send my children out into the street to play in the traffic so they will learn not to play in the traffic.

When children are young they need to learn respect for parents and true love teaches that the right way.
Maybe I shouldnt have spanked my daughter but it did work when she was young. She made straight A's in schoopl and was an exemplarey student. She to this day is kind and loving, thinks of others often, kind to animals and is a Christian,prays everyday for everyone on here, everywhere reads the word. Helps the poor, works hard.
She is sick of course, has no friends at all. Nobody seems to like her much. Personally I think she is too good for this world.
Some doctors tell us she was sick when she was a child a baby even. I didnt see it if she was.
My son is the most wonderful person you could ever know.
Now if I did something wrong by spanking them you ask them what they think about it?
I didnt just raise them either................Ive really helped raise about 500 or more children in day cares. It got to the point I couldnt even touch them because of these stupid laws. I wouldnt put my kid in a day care for love nor money. By touching lest you think Im nuts or something i mean I couldnt give them a hug. I turned in a lady who was hitting a two year old. I got fired for doing it. I found out why..............the director hit a mentally retarded little girl.
Personally I think the real abuse of children is verbal as well as physical. Now I want to know who you are talking about here............what TV preacher said that?

[Janice]

Just my opinion here:

I do NOT agree with parents using belts on children NOR do I agree that "God is a whipping God."

I DO believe however, in "spare the rod, spoil the child."

I spanked my kids when they were growing up. (Sometimes that was the only thing that made them listen.) ;)

Personally, I cannot stand this "Dr. Phil" attitide today on raising children and never spanking them.

A child needs discipline and sometimes they need to be spanked.

My children also knew that I was the parent and they were the child, not visa versa. We taught them to respect my husband and I, to understand that WE were in charge, not them. Their turn to be "in charge" was when they grew up and moved out. :p

Today my "babies" are 27 and 24 yrs old. They are beautiful young adults who love the Lord. My daughter is a fantastic wife and mother, and my son is to be married next month, and I'm sure he will be a great husband and father.

They respect us and other people. They know right from wrong.

I thank the Lord that they turned out the way they did! (They had to live with an alcholic & drug addicted mother for some years.) But...somewhere along the line, God interviened and we must have done something right. :D

[SpinningHead]

My parents were spanking parents. :mad: Just taught me that if I did something bad, I could not go to them. They were not safe places I could trust. I would be judged and beaten. Taught me how to be sneakier.

I don't think the "rod of discipline" is an actual rod. I don't believe there's a discipline tree out there growing rods to beat children with. Someone define "rod".

Since Jesus didn't physically beat people or children, I'm inclined to follow His example. He did however talk with them and bring them to new understandings. He was patient, loving, compassionate...he spoke against the pharisees and even flipped their tables, but he didn't beat anyone.

My mother told me recently that she's glad that we can't have any children. :eek: ok, I'll bite...why are you glad we can't have any children? "Because hubby would be too "loving" with them and always try to psycho-talk to them and explain things to them ( <- she said sarcastically) instead of picking them up and slapping their ass! ( <- she said that sternly)" I responded, "that for those reasons, hubby would have made an excellent father, one that I could be proud of and support. Your problem as a parent was that you were always so eager to slap someone's ass, you didn't take the time to teach us right from wrong. You only taught us what meritted a slap and what didn't." :eek:

She then asked me if I believe in spanking a child...I said I didn't. For myself and what I grew up with, I see spanking as a way for a parent to take out their frustrations with a child. I think there's a million options of discipline and spanking doesn't have to be the first choice.


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I should say that I'm not talking about a little smack on the hand, tap on the diaper and a strong word when they are very young...I'm talking about a full blown hold the child up by one arm and let have at it...a child over the knee, bare bottom and red w/ every full on stinging slap. Let's get that clear now.

Aftermath...had that traveling salesman spoke in a church I was attending, I would have gotten up and walked out! :mad: What a friggen' jerk!

[ninaspirit]

whiping and spanking turned into the same thing for us. we were told it was a spanking but it was a whiping so the words all look the same. but 123 spank may be is differnt than whiping. it makes us shake thinking children are geting whiped.


rod - hebrew or greek? - is not spank in the bible - it dosnt mean hiting - it means teach and guide. a sheperd caries a rod but dosnt hit his sheep with it. and Jesus woudn't hit a child ether.

love ninas.

[hornblower]

triggering beware

abuse is abuse is abuse in my book. When the child learns that he or she is unloved or a 'bad' child then something is wrong somewhere. I was abused by my parents and this was how it was done.........nothing was ever spoken of that was taboo in their book. Consequrently my sexual abuse was hidden for years and years causing me to further victimize myself as an adult.
I was often verbally abused told I was insane and bad, crazy, needed to be put away, fat, lazy, no good, something is wrong with you?????,and blamed for things I didnt do such as my Mother misplacing something, not being able to find something, dropping something or when she was sick somehow I did it to her. I actually believed I held some sort of a power within me that hurt my Mother and made things go wrong for everyone around me.
I was screamed at for falling down and bloodying my knees it made my Mothers day harder.
My Mother would often get my brother to abuse me because I would run from her. She would tell him things like she did this to me and that to me do something.
He would hold me so she could slap me in the face.
My Father abandoned me by not having any Fatherly anything to do with me, didnt speak to me, was never affectionate. Never disciplined me at all until one morning after some sort of dream I had I walked in the kitchen and he almost beat me to death with his belt. Even though it hurt it was better than nothing.

So here you have it...........one messed up girl.

I agree I know that Jesus does not beat us. Hes never even remotely talked to me like that at all and Im sure I would listen Im so used to it.
So why on earth did I put myself in harms way with these so called christian leaders???????

But then I also kind of believe that God doesnt have to discilpline us like this we do it to ourselves so often.
We do the wrong things we run smack dab into it.

I try to always keep my children from doing those wrong things so they wont have to suffer the same pay back Ive encountered. Like marrying or even dating the wrong person someone who is violent, abusing, treats someone else wrong stay away from them. Its better to be alone than to be in the company of fools. Always tell the truth because lies will get you into twice, three times more trouble.
Be polite, be kind. If you come across someone who is unreasonable keep your cool, dont loose it, just find a better situation to be in. Jobs for instance. Go to the library and read good books so you can learn about things. Be open minded.


Most importantly I didnt blame them when they made mistakes, I never shamed them for anything. Loads of praise for all of the good things they were doing. This is an a # 1 thing to do for all children.

I never had a discipline problem in school classrooms because I had a simple rule. Pay attention to the good things no matter how small it may be that someone does and give them lots of praise for it.
This way the whole focus is.........lets all do good things..........they dont even think of the bad stuff we dont give any attention to it.

I want to add one thing here.
As Theo knows about me. I worked so hard as an adult to change my relationship with my parents and they worked on it too.
You know Im a huge believer in that commandment honor your father and mother so your life will be long on this earth.
Its fine to be angry at them for their mistakes they made with you..anger is part of the process as Theo calls it but
it is so rewarding so gratifying so absolutely healing to get to the bottom of it all and begin to have a loving relationship with them.
My Mom and I went through some very hard times. She just plain walked out many times on me when we were trying to make it with each other....... and I said to her dont let the door hit you on the way out.
In the end though she would send me a card and although she didnt ask me to forgive her she would in her own way make amends. I thought she was the meanest witch to ever have been born.
She was raped when she was just nine years old. Sent to live with other people when she was that same age. Thought her parents didnt want her and couldnt feed her. At her funeral her sister admitted to me that she also was raped.
It was hard to forgive her after all of the abuse but Im so glad I did.
My parents taught me some good things too. They did the best they knew how to do. We talked about every bit of it in a calm manner. Im sure they were much more abused than I can ever imagine. Im here to say this one time and one time only.
I am so sick and tired of everybody blaming their parents for everything. Time to grow up. We are not children any more. When we do things that are wrong now its our fault not theirs.
Take what works and leave the rest ok and know that I wouldnt say anything to anyone that I dont mega say to myself.

[yeshua'smags]

I spank my kids too. But it is just a swat on the diaper, ONE maybe two swats on the leg, depending on the offense.
But whipping, bare bottom, that doesn't happen. I don't think it is necessary. My oldest is so afraid to get a spanking, ( I don't know why, he's only ever gotten like 3 big ones. And that was for lying about hurting his siblings.), that all I have to do is mention it, and he straightens right up.:o


*Let it be said however, I DO NOT AGREE with that man! God IS NOT a "whipping God", and such irresponsible teachings lead to ugly and irreversible abuse!*:mad:

[Doug64]

Like so many things, I think there is a happy medium.
We spanked our kids because that is what the church taught. Sometimes we went overboard with it.
Our grandkids rarely get a swat as we use 'time out' with them or withhold a priveledge.

Children should never be beaten under any circumstance.
BTW our 35 year old son just told us a week or so ago that he thought we did a pretty good job raising him and his brother and sister. When he was about 25 he told us we had become smarter than he had though earlier. Can't get a better vote than that. LOL!

Doug

[Jerry]

This Tv Preacher is an idiot.....A swat in the "diaper" before the kids can communicate is I guess standard procedure.....But that was the extent of "Corporal Punishment" in our house. From about 3 on our kids were not spanked (:D not that I wasn't tempted :D ) ,,,,but if as a parent you seek to command respect,,,,,,,,you must be "respectful"........I found ways to make their lives miserable,until we got the proper behavioral responses ;) :D The point is this,,,,,you don't use a weapon to beat someone you love it is unscriptural,,,,,Rather family life should be conducted according to "Ephesians 6 verses 1-4 " Fathers paying special attention to verse 4 ,,,,,,,,,,"And ye fathers,provoke not your children to wrath:but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord " ..............Thats my take on it :)
Love Jerry