Writing a Book! Need your stories!

[foxfamily238]

:) God bless all of you for your strength in recovering and STILL trusting God after your trust has been broken by "leaders of God". It is truly hard to trust in God and the people of God after a meltdown of trust, confidence, and leadership gone awry. Only the scars left over can bring reality to where even the mind would like to disengage from the past, real hurts.

We are writing a Book!!! And you can help us! :o

This book will be dealing with the very essence of those who have been hurt and abused by the church, leadership, the "pastor", the "man of God". Those who have been dominated, controlled, intimidated, pressured, guilt ridden, boxed in, deceived, and so forth.

In lue of such small amounts of time we really have to accomplish this book, we are asking those of you who would like to contribute to perhaps in this case, limit your stray text to more of the factual and scriptural content. For ex., this would be more easily usable: "My pastor then humiliated me in front of the entire church...." as apposed to this: "My pastor, who I can't stand, humiliated and of all the nerve of someone to do this to me, what was going on in his mind ..." Hope this makes sense to you! :)

We are not necessarily dealing with physical abuse, except it relates to the abuse first being spiritual and emotional. We share with your wounds in your past, and believe with you for complete healing and recovery. Remember, recovery and healing doesn't necessarily mean "completely forgetting" the past, for God has a purpose and plan in every scar. Your wounds become your ministry, your scars into your stars. You can now be hyper-sensative to those around you hurting, and in pain. Allow God to use you to minister to them, as you needed someone to minister healing to you!

God bless you in Jesus name!
- Fox Family - foxfamily238@hotmail.com

[Janice]

Forgive me but...I will in no way allow the hurts from my past make money for you!

[Voyager]

Ditto what Janice said. I have seen at least five similar posts in the five years since I have been on these forums. No books have ever been printed yet. I was even going to write one myself, but lost interest. You might want to try finding three or four victims to work with on a personal basis as opposed to soliciting anonymous Internet stories. People could make up whatever they wanted and send it to you. Who knows if it's even true?

:confused:

[Voyager]

:) Remember, recovery and healing doesn't necessarily mean "completely forgetting" the past, for God has a purpose and plan in every scar. Your wounds become your ministry, your scars into your stars.

That is absolutely ridiculous, and a very insensitive thing to say. That would be like telling a rape victim that God had a purpose and plan for their rape so that He could put them into a rape ministry.

:eek: :mad: :eek:

[foxfamily238]

my goodness. I'm flabbergasted at your replies.

Maybe I have came across with wrong verbiage, but I completely don't get your replies.

First of all, nothing said was insensative, or at least intended to be, whether you mis-perceived it or not. God always has a positive outcome for any and all negative situations. If you don't beleive that, you don't believe the bible. Ponder on your attacking statement, and pray about that. "All things work together..."

Secondly, your hurts, and my hurts are not to "make money". Why are books written Janice? This is not a FICTIONAL book. This is a fact book. I can totally understand if we're talking about glamorizing issues. Not the case, at all! Why are there books on "healing for damaged emotions" with loads of personal stories? To help and inform others who are going through the same thing. Untold books and publications to inform and help. Don't you understand that there are many, many people out there, who don't even believe that spiritual and emotional abuse is going on. I have been abused beyond believe myself, but I choose to speak out and inform and help. You have definately jumped the gun as to the context...

Again, let me apologize if there was anything misleading you, but both of you are in misconceptions about a ministry that is growing in need. You need to not be so "quick to judge". I ask for help and prayers.

Also, if you are not to open up your "past hurts" to share, you still have a healing process unresolved. That's what the AA, and Help Groups are for.

Wow. I still shake my head at your attacks. Please respond, but first pray. I'm interested in your comments, but not attacks.

sincerley,
Foxes

[foxfamily238]

:) Thank you Oopsie Daisey! for your testimony! Sorry you had trouble with the posting on here.. :(

I very much appreciate your input and testimony. We do pray God's continuing healing in your life, and believe that God will use you to help and minister to others who are hurting.

After going through these things, there are countless others who are afraid to tell someone from shame, embarrasment, etc. God bless in Jesus name!


Fox Family

[Voyager]

my goodness. I'm flabbergasted at your replies.

.....Ponder on your attacking statement, and pray about that.

I don't recall reading any "attacking" replies to your post. Maybe I am missing something that was edited out. I stated that I had a problem with the idea that God has a plan and purpose for every scar. I don't understand the correlation that God would cause a rape to occur so that He could exploit it for ministry purposes. I really don't need to pray about that. My mind is made up that He wouldn't do anything like that.

I'd better back out of here before the "swords of the spirit" start flying. LOL!

:cool:

[Voyager]

Oh well, so much for that idea.

Think about it. Try telling a rape victim that God was working everything for their good when He allowed them to be raped. It just doesn't fly very well. It's goes over even worse with many spiritual abuse victims, because they were trusting God. That means that He tricked them into getting abused so that He could use it for ministry purposes. I have a major problem with that type of theology. Simply stating that I disagree with you does not constitute an attack. I just stated my beliefs.

When I was in my former abusive church, I was not entitled to my own opinion. If I ever spoke it, I was told that it was an "attack" on the ministry and that I should "go pray and get right with God". Sound familiar?

:cool:

[Voyager]

You mentioned that we should go to AA or a self-help group if we had an unresolved healing process. Hello? That is where we are at right here! This is our healing group. You just walked right into it and started soliciting for a book publishing.

You see, when someone goes into a self-help group, they leave their titles at the door. They stoop down low to come into a forum where they can find help. Priests leave their collars at home. Policemen hide their badges in their pocket. Reporters leave their notebooks at home. Nuns leave their (bad) habits at home (LOL! - I couldn't help myself). No one comes in with their own agenda.

I am only speaking for myself, not for anyone else. The rest of you may disagree with my take on all of this. I'm just stating the way I feel.

P.S. - Try going into AA or a self-help group and solicit stories for a book publishing. I would bet that you would get a few of the same comments that you read here.

:cool:

[Florence]

Those of you have read my posts since I became a member here know that my brother-in-law is in publishing and in fact was one of the editors of Jeff VanVonderan's books - most notably "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse." Had it not been for his work in publishing, I probably would not know today that what I have experienced is spiritual abuse.

Having a relative in the publishing business (he has actually written several books - some Christian fiction, some pastoral helps, some gift books for Hallmark and Wal-Mart, and a devotional that won the Gold Medalion Award - an award for Christian books) gives me a little bit of insight into the whole book-writing/publishing business.

So, what I am writing to say is that in the Christian book industry, credible authors will solicit information through reliable sources - people that are referred to them, that they meet or speak with personally, etc. Also, credible authors will not be nameless, faceless, anonymous solicitors of stories and information. They will introduce themselves, give their real names, real contact information, etc. Thirdly, credible authors will behave in a professional manner - not given to knee-jerk reactions of accusing potential contributors of "personal attacks" or arguing with potential contributors about their opinions, positions, or theology.

Fourth: There are already several excellent books out there on this topic - most publishers aren't interested in books that have nothing new to say. The author needs to "sell" the book - convince the publisher (and the potential contributor) that he or she has something new that hasn't been considered before.

And finally - I hate to break it to you, but publishing is a BUSINESS - it's primary purpose is to make money and no matter how badly an author wants their work to help people or change lives, the bottom line is the almight dollar. If it won't make money, it won't get printed. Period.

Just some food for thought for those of you who are thinking about "contributing" to this "book."

Florence

[Boo]

Florence,

Thank you for this post of yours. I have found it very insightful & helpful.

[Voyager]

Florence,

Thank you for this post of yours. I have found it very insightful & helpful.

That makes two of us.

If anyone wants to come down and be one of us, then we can talk on the same level with you. I've found that when self-proclaimed authors, pastors, "prophets", or anyone else with a five-fold title comes onto the forum, there always seems to be an agenda that is different from what is usually offered here. They want to tell us the "right" way to be healed, and have a pocketful of scripture verses to prove their points.

I'm sure you didn't mean to trigger anyone here FoxFamily. Like I said, I was even considering the book idea some time ago. My post about it didn't fly too well either.

:cool:

[Janice]

And finally - I hate to break it to you, but publishing is a BUSINESS - it's primary purpose is to make money and no matter how badly an author wants their work to help people or change lives, the bottom line is the almight dollar. If it won't make money, it won't get printed. Period.

Just some food for thought for those of you who are thinking about "contributing" to this "book."

Florence[/QUOTE]

I Totally agree Florence!!


Secondly, your hurts, and my hurts are not to "make money". Why are books written Janice? This is not a FICTIONAL book. This is a fact book. I can totally understand if we're talking about glamorizing issues. Not the case, at all! Why are there books on "healing for damaged emotions" with loads of personal stories? To help and inform others who are going through the same thing. Untold books and publications to inform and help. Don't you understand that there are many, many people out there, who don't even believe that spiritual and emotional abuse is going on. I have been abused beyond believe myself, but I choose to speak out and inform and help. You have definately jumped the gun as to the context...

In answer to your question, books are written to MAKE MONEY..BOTTOM LINE! I have DEFINATELY NOT jumped the gun as to the context.

[OldEnt]

We are writing a Book!!! And you can help us![/b] :o



And who are you? Where are you coming from? Have you experienced spiritual abuse? Have you ever written a book before? Are you an established author? What are your writing credentials?

As far as I can tell this is the first time you have ever posted on this forum, or have you posted under another name?

I've never met you before on this forum... And I'm suppose to just jump at the chance to have you publish my story?

Do you realize what you are doing here?

You have not established any basis of trust and sense of caring or sharing, but expect we will jump to help you write your book.... You have not been in the trenches with us when a forum friend is down in the dumps and we've poured out our hearts to him/her to comfort and encourage... Who are you?

Do you have any sense at all how insensitive you have been approaching the people in this forum in this way? You who are at this point strangers in our midst...

Hello........ :confused:

You should not be at all surprised at your less then enthusiastic welcome to this forum.... If you really knew what spiritual abuse was, you would have been MUCH more sensitive then you were.....

Don't be surprised when we start thinking the "Foxes" are trying to get in the chicken coop....

In His strength and grace alone,

Old Ent

PS: Please take a good long hard look at my signature file below...

[Jerry]

In lue of such small amounts of time we really have to accomplish this book, we are asking those of you who would like to contribute to perhaps in this case, limit your stray text to more of the factual and scriptural content. For ex., this would be more easily usable: "My pastor then humiliated me in front of the entire church...." as apposed to this: "My pastor, who I can't stand, humiliated and of all the nerve of someone to do this to me, what was going on in his mind ..." Hope this makes sense to you! :)



Well Fox Family,,,
I waited to post just to see what would transpire,,,,looks like ya poked a stick in a nest of hornets....Just what did you expect???? Please note the part of your post I included as a quote.....You not only tell us what to feel,,,,,,,,but HOW to feel it............I doubt that your book will end up on anyones shelf as some literary treasure....I'll pick up my copy for .25 cents at the "Red Shield Botque"
:rolleyes: and shaking my head,,,,,,Jerry

[Janice]

And who are you? Where are you coming from? Have you experienced spiritual abuse? Have you ever written a book before? Are you an established author? What are your writing credentials?

As far as I can tell this is the first time you have ever posted on this forum, or have you posted under another name?

I've never met you before on this forum... And I'm suppose to just jump at the chance to have you publish my story?

Do you realize what you are doing here?

You have not established any basis of trust and sense of caring or sharing, but expect we will jump to help you write your book.... You have not been in the trenches with us when a forum friend is down in the dumps and we've poured out our hearts to him/her to comfort and encourage... Who are you?

Do you have any sense at all how insensitive you have been approaching the people in this forum in this way? You who are at this point strangers in our midst...

Hello........ :confused:

You should not be at all surprised at your less then enthusiastic welcome to this forum.... If you really knew what spiritual abuse was, you would have been MUCH more sensitive then you were.....

Don't be surprised when we start thinking the "Foxes" are trying to get in the chicken coop....

In His strength and grace alone,

Old Ent

PS: Please take a good long hard look at my signature file below...





((((((((OLD ENT)))))))))))) AMEN!!! P.S. What IS an ent?

[foxfamily238]

Ok. Well (As I brush the bullets from my body from these remarks), I shall rewind and play again....

I have indeed already counseled victims of sexual abuse that God has a purpose and ministry for what they have gone through. I have been abused myself, and speak from experience, not hot air. I don't want to get into a theological debate, because your argument is already unfounded..

I see that the blastings of my efforts is in no way discouraging to what God will do, even if slapped by others. I am not out to "make money", although if I am on ministerial staff, my family and I live off the bread of those that feed the minister.(which I have been) Or if I am a non-profit coordinator helping ABUSED youth, I am paid so my family can eat. (Which I have been) Your perspectives on the "money" are out of an angry spirit, and I only wished you would have asked me questions rather than blasted. I would have happily explained the course of what is desiring to be accomplished.

Unfortunately, you guys have not given me a chance to "redeem" any such efforts here. Perhaps I can address those with less vengeful or hateful attitudes, that will feel the courage to help the project.

I am not here to mooch off of others hurful and painful experiences. I had gone through experiences far worse than I assume you would understand by your quick, rash remarks, and...

by the spirit of your angry replies, I don't feel comfortable sharing with you such trauma. What have your angry comments accomplished? The opposite of what you are intending to do... help. Minister. Encourage. Exhort. Build up. Forward thrust.

I must encourage you, if not me, then others that will come, you will definately find it in your own best interest to WARM and WELCOME someone, and give someone the benefit of the doubt. Just as you needed someone to give that to you.

If you would like me to share, and move forward in a manner that would let you know motives, goals, why I still could use your assistance, then please let me know. I will push beyond the cold unwelcomed comments, and try to warm up to you, so you can get to know us. We're quite warm and fuzzy. Now adding a few band-aids by your comments, however.

This book is not "solely" on Spiritual Abuse and the historical evidence, yet it includes such things. Yes, there are few books, some not so good, a few that are helpful, a few that are out of spite. My little baby girl was stolen from me and ripped from my heart, with the help of God's people. How dare some of you to throw temper tantrums of personal ingorance with your raging comments! I would have never asked for something I myself have not accomplished, or have an understanding in. I have walked the walk, talked the talk, and then some. I would have gladly shared this with you. Not at this point, now that you've completely shattered a potential trust here... That is simply outrages. Makes me sad to think that if I happened to be at my wits end, needing to hear someone say an encouraging word, I would not be turning to you for solice and help. Ponder, please.

Why not take this opportunity to encourage someone (namely my wife and I), on doing something felt to help. Your comments on "family" in the business is well taken. However, I have others who have published books as well, and unless you know exactly where I'm going, don't assume you know it all. Because you don't. You didnt' even ask! how rude! :eek:

Anyways, you all let me know what you would like, because I certainly won't continue stepping on an unwelcome doormat, which I have completely felt. Except for the one person breaking down why the replies were the way they were (thank you for your one on one tip, much appreciated) ...
Our desire is ministry, not uproars.. I do leave with you one thing, if you allow yourself to accept it: God is not surprised by rape, by sexual abuse, by emotional abuse, nor spiritual abuse. I have been through 3/4 of all of these, let alone a miriad of other horror stories. God always has the upper hand in our lives, if you let Him. In every evil, He will still yet be glorified. The enemy indeed intends it for evil, yet God will create a postive good to receive the final glory, and your crowing victory. God will take dust and water, and create beauty.. "Beauty for Ashes... the oil of joy for mourning..." "If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with Him.." And He cares about you and others that you will affect. Please let God affect you in more of a positive way than your works have displayed here. It'll do ya a world of good.

Sincerely,
Foxes.

[foxfamily238]

I'd better back out of here before the "swords of the spirit" start flying. LOL!

:cool:

too late. your sword has not been of "the Spirit", but of your personal spirit.. put your sword down, please.

[Janice]

Your perspectives on the "money" are out of an angry spirit, and I only wished you would have asked me questions rather than blasted.



Now who is judging???? hmmm... think you need to GET A LIFE and leave ours alone!
I will not fall into this "trap" any longer. I will neither read nor respond to anymore of your posts!

[Jerry]

Ok. Well (As I brush the bullets from my body from these remarks), I shall rewind and play again....

I have indeed already counseled victims of sexual abuse that God has a purpose and ministry for what they have gone through. I have been abused myself, and speak from experience, not hot air. I don't want to get into a theological debate, because your argument is already unfounded..

I see that the blastings of my efforts is in no way discouraging to what God will do, even if slapped by others. I am not out to "make money", although if I am on ministerial staff, my family and I live off the bread of those that feed the minister.(which I have been) Or if I am a non-profit coordinator helping ABUSED youth, I am paid so my family can eat. (Which I have been) Your perspectives on the "money" are out of an angry spirit, and I only wished you would have asked me questions rather than blasted. I would have happily explained the course of what is desiring to be accomplished.

Unfortunately, you guys have not given me a chance to "redeem" any such efforts here. Perhaps I can address those with less vengeful or hateful attitudes, that will feel the courage to help the project.

I am not here to mooch off of others hurful and painful experiences. I had gone through experiences far worse than I assume you would understand by your quick, rash remarks, and...

by the spirit of your angry replies, I don't feel comfortable sharing with you such trauma. What have your angry comments accomplished? The opposite of what you are intending to do... help. Minister. Encourage. Exhort. Build up. Forward thrust.

I must encourage you, if not me, then others that will come, you will definately find it in your own best interest to WARM and WELCOME someone, and give someone the benefit of the doubt. Just as you needed someone to give that to you.

If you would like me to share, and move forward in a manner that would let you know motives, goals, why I still could use your assistance, then please let me know. I will push beyond the cold unwelcomed comments, and try to warm up to you, so you can get to know us. We're quite warm and fuzzy. Now adding a few band-aids by your comments, however.

This book is not "solely" on Spiritual Abuse and the historical evidence, yet it includes such things. Yes, there are few books, some not so good, a few that are helpful, a few that are out of spite. My little baby girl was stolen from me and ripped from my heart, with the help of God's people. How dare some of you to throw temper tantrums of personal ingorance with your raging comments! I would have never asked for something I myself have not accomplished, or have an understanding in. I have walked the walk, talked the talk, and then some. I would have gladly shared this with you. Not at this point, now that you've completely shattered a potential trust here... That is simply outrages. Makes me sad to think that if I happened to be at my wits end, needing to hear someone say an encouraging word, I would not be turning to you for solice and help. Ponder, please.

Why not take this opportunity to encourage someone (namely my wife and I), on doing something felt to help. Your comments on "family" in the business is well taken. However, I have others who have published books as well, and unless you know exactly where I'm going, don't assume you know it all. Because you don't. You didnt' even ask! how rude! :eek:

Anyways, you all let me know what you would like, because I certainly won't continue stepping on an unwelcome doormat, which I have completely felt. Except for the one person breaking down why the replies were the way they were (thank you for your one on one tip, much appreciated) ...
Our desire is ministry, not uproars.. I do leave with you one thing, if you allow yourself to accept it: God is not surprised by rape, by sexual abuse, by emotional abuse, nor spiritual abuse. I have been through 3/4 of all of these, let alone a miriad of other horror stories. God always has the upper hand in our lives, if you let Him. In every evil, He will still yet be glorified. The enemy indeed intends it for evil, yet God will create a postive good to receive the final glory, and your crowing victory. God will take dust and water, and create beauty.. "Beauty for Ashes... the oil of joy for mourning..." "If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with Him.." And He cares about you and others that you will affect. Please let God affect you in more of a positive way than your works have displayed here. It'll do ya a world of good.

Sincerely,
Foxes.
Dear Foxes,,,,,,
This more current post is better.I think you will find that people here are deeply spiritual and are devoted to each other(as much as this medium allows).What we don't need is another"Holy Man"we have had enough of them guys :rolleyes: I for one don't mind if you participate on this board I don't think the others would mind either we'll see.If you want to write a book,,,,,why don't you participate here for a year or so and then write about the changes it made in you ??????
Jerry

[Florence]

I recall that as a new member of this forum, I asked a very insensitive question and was blasted for it - and rightly so. My immediate response was to apologize. The immediate response back to me was forgiveness, understanding, and acceptance. So, I've been looking and looking first and foremost for an apology for the insensitive comments but instead I see self-justification, more insensitivity, and attempts to make those of us who have pointed out the problem to be the problem. Sound familiar?

I still haven't seen any information credible enough to convince me that this book is a professional endeavor. Everyone here knows that I have been abused - twice and some of the details of those abuses. Everyone here knows that I currently work for a church and have been a professor at a Bible college. They know a bit about my professional qualifications and my personal life. Still, if I were to endeavor to write a book that I would like to ask my friends here to contribute to, I would make a formal introduction of who I am, giving my name, location, etc., my specific qualifications (the name and locations of the churches, colleges, and schools I have worked for and the positions I held there), and a fairly specific and detailed plan for the book - it's purpose and premise, and specifically how my friend's contributions would be used. I would probably even throw in the name of my brother-in-law, the name of the company he works for (he is still in the publishing business, but no longer at Bethany House), and some additional information about him so that you know that I have a strong chance of actually having what I write put into print (like when you see the new gift book that's supposed to be out in time for Christmas that will have Mel Gibson's name on it - that's my brother-in-law's work). I would not simply continue to claim that I have family in the publishing business - I would prove it.

I still am not seeing enough specific and credible information about the person to convince me that this is an endeavor to which I would want to contribute.

I am surprised at the strong language used by foxfamily to describe the responses of the people here: "Blastings, slapped, vengeful, hateful, rash, cold, unwelcom(ing), temper tantrums, personal ignorance, outrages, uproars" to name a few. I must humbly ask foxfamily, do you realize that using these terms only makes you appear to be the very thing of which you are accusing others?

You will find that you always have a chance to "redeem" your efforts here. Your last post was the perfect opportunity, but instead of doing so, you lobbed bombs at those whose trust, respect, and help you are supposedly trying to win. Truly want to redeem yourself? How about posting something like:

Hello, my name is ____________ and my family and I live in _______________. I am posting here because God has placed upon my heart a desire to help people who have been abused - spiritually, emotionally, ___________, _____________, (etc). I currently work as a ______________, in which my duties (ministry, service) include the following: (counseling, ministry, factory work, fill-in-the-blank). I have also worked as ___________________ in _______________ (fill in as many as necessary. My qualifications/education are from (name schools, seminaries, seminars, clinics, etc.) in the area of (name majors, areas of study, degrees or certifications recieved). My ultimate goal is to one day write a book that would _________________________. I believe there is a need for such a book because _______________________________. I would like to participate in this forum for a time and ask that you allow me, after I have gotten to know all of you, to perhaps approach some of you about contributing to this work. I will never use any information posted here without your express written permission and it will not be published without you first having an opportunity to view any information based on your personal experiences and to make editorial changes or corrections. Please let me know if you are willing to have me as a member of this forum knowing that I have this goal in mind. Sincerely, (full name, title, etc.)

If you posted something like that, wow, I would really be impressed and would probably say, "Sure - glad to have you."

Ready to redeem yourself yet?
Florence

[Voyager]

Ok. Well (As I brush the bullets from my body from these remarks), I shall rewind and play again....

Please spare us.

I don't want to get into a theological debate, because your argument is already unfounded..

Great news! Now we can get back to normal again.

By the spirit of your angry replies, I don't feel comfortable sharing with you such trauma. What have your angry comments accomplished?

You seem to be the only one angry around here. However, if you keep pushing it, I'm sure you could get some tempers to flare up.

Perhaps I can address those with less vengeful or hateful attitudes, that will feel the courage to help the project.

Me first! Me first! :rolleyes:

If you would like me to share, and move forward in a manner that would let you know motives, goals, why I still could use your assistance, then please let me know. I will push beyond the cold unwelcomed comments, and try to warm up to you, so you can get to know us. We're quite warm and fuzzy. Now adding a few band-aids by your comments, however.

That's what this place is for, but you came in under the guise of an author wanting to write a book. Try laying down your title, your position of "spiritual authority", and your "sword of the spirit", and we would love to welcome you as one of us. The only assistance we can provide is to be a listening ear, a shoulder of support. You obviously have some very deep wounds that need desperate attention.

How dare some of you to throw temper tantrums of personal ingorance with your raging comments! I would have never asked for something I myself have not accomplished, or have an understanding in. I have walked the walk, talked the talk, and then some. I would have gladly shared this with you. Not at this point, now that you've completely shattered a potential trust here... That is simply outrages. Makes me sad to think that if I happened to be at my wits end, needing to hear someone say an encouraging word, I would not be turning to you for solice and help.

Again, I don't think you are in any shape to be writing a book. You are the one having a temper tantrum. You may want to work through some of that anger before you try to help others with theirs. I'm sure you know the verse on that one. Something about a log and a toothpick.

Please let God affect you in more of a positive way than your works have displayed here.

-----------------------------------

This is not a church, and you are not our pastor. How dare you come in here and disrupt our support group like this? You are totally out of line. If you want to go back out the door, leave your title of spiritual authority outside, and come back in with a better attitude - we would love to have you be a part of our group. Your wounds are obviously unhealed and your triggers are cocked. You could probably find the healing you need here.

You don't know any one of us. How dare you come in here passing judgement on us like you have done? In times passed some of us probably would have let you come in here and take over the forum for a few weeks, but we have since wised-up to that kind of nonsense.

I'm not going to waste anymore time with this issue. It's a no-win deal. Come down off your high horse and become a part of this forum, or find some other victims to exploit. I'm not the boss here, but that's my two-cents worth. Take it or leave it.

:cool:

[OhWell]

Voyager,

You are repulsive. This is Oopsie Daisey here.

I totally disagree with the things you have wrote and how you have treated this individual. You didn't give him the benefit of the doubt. You have been here 5 years and gloat about it and still act like a jerk so whats' the difference?

I don't give a rat's tail if I get kicked out of here but what you hand out is abusive and very rude. You want to be right and you will go to all lengths to rally against an individual?

Janice stated and opinion and understandably so, knowing her story somewhat better than most. She just said no way but you go on this vendetta against the person and that was not a very nice welcome.

Especially the minute he mentioned a thank you to Oopsie Daisey for my testimony. You know I knew that would set your bells ringing because you have not liked me since the day I came on the forum and you yourself have tried to destsroy the forum because someone dares to differ with your opinion. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing and this person no matter if they are dillusional or if they are sincere ..you have set a bad example with showing how you have not recovered and stay in the mind set of victim. Proving that the system don't work for you!

Well obviously I have an opinion and I wasn't going to lie down and play dead while you assaulted a new comer. SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR LACK OF INTEGRITY!

You have been given the mind of a reprobate.

I am out of here and done and the most unfortunate thing is, that I leave behind wonderful friends like Janice, Emerging, Jerry, Theodora, And Reg, Ex-Shep, to mention a few but I can't stomach your opinons that are so derrogatory and strange and I can't stand you! Yep, I need God but I sure as heck don't need to hang around coniving fool hell bent on being right.

Oopsie Daisey

Oh well. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Voyager]

Oopsie,

I am not here to find your approval or anyone else's. You have stated your hatred of me many times over, so this is nothing new. You got the old forum shut down because of it. You were even banned from this forum for your vengeful posts (not against me because I wasn't here at the time). Now you are posting under a new screen name.

I have never once judged you. Never. You have had temper tantrum after temper tantrum towards me. For what reasons, I do not know. I guess it's because you disagree with my theology (or lack of). I have never maligned you in any way - and I'm not going to start today.

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[Emerging]

Guess it's time to stop tip-toeing around this issue because ....

You got the old forum shut down because of it.
Not true. Actually, it was you and what did you finally confess to ... 15 aliases?? {I kept a copy of that post at home, so don'thave the exact number right in front of me} ... and we all remember how you so viciously assaulted dear sweet LLT/Mary to where now she hardly ever posts at these forums anymore. I did go to bat on her behalf ... that I do admit. But you hiding behind all those aliases and attacking anyone at whim ... that's pretty scarey behavior.

You were even banned from this forum for your vengeful posts (not against me because I wasn't here at the time).
Actually, wasn't that you pretending to be Admin and falsely "banning" her under the old forum software that allowed such manipulations? Praise God the new software doesn't allow this anymore!

Now you are posting under a new screen name.
Actually, her other account is messed up and can't be fixed for now. Note that unlike when you were posting under all your multiple aliases, she indicated right off who's posting.

I have never once judged you. You have had temper tantrum after temper tantrum towards me. For what reasons, I do not know. I guess it's because you disagree with my theology (or lack of). I have never maligned you in any way - and I'm not going to start today.
Actually, you are notorious for attacking whoever threatens you. Even dear sweet innocents like LTT/Mary who never ever attacked anyone but you did - like a wolf feasting on an innocent lamb you went after her in a way that was shocking to us all.

"Methinks you doth protest too much" or however Shakespeare worded it ... it's you, not Daisey, who's got some serious issues that you won't even admit to. She's admitted to her stuff over and over again ... we see the progress she is making because she is doing all she can to heal past this stuff.

But you? You won't even seriously do any self-work... and it's evident by your continual need to put down people and puff yourself up.

Praying for you, that you see the light.

[Voyager]

I have never called anyone here a name. If you look at Oopsie's post and the Fox post, you will see numerous instances of name-calling and personal attacks.

I post my opinions, and I am entitled to do that. I have never attacked anyone on here. The posts on this thread by Janice and Florence are no different than mine.

The way the Foxes came in here was wrong, and I spoke out why I disagreed with it. If you call that a personal attack, then you are entitled to your opinion.

The fact is, this place is full of wounded people who get triggered at the drop of a hat. That's why I rarely post here anymore. I admit, I can get triggered too.

This whole thread has been nothing but a problem. It should be removed from this forum, because it is serving no purpose whatsoever other than to breed more hatred.

I never ran anyone off the old forum. Daisy attacked me using multiple screen names, so I returned fire with the same. I am not a wolf, nor have I attacked any innocent lambs.

This forum is full of dysfunctional and codependent people. I am one of them. I admit my problems. I have nothing to hide. But I am beginning to have some serious doubts as to whether this place is helping any of us.

[Voyager]

God as my witness, I did not start any fights on the old forums. I was attacked for my theological beliefs (or lack of), and I defended myself. I never provoked any of the attacks from Oopsie Daisy. She simply disagreed with my religious beliefs and lamblasted me for them. I do admit returning fire, so if you want to fault me - fault me for that. I never ever once attacked anyone.

Emerging, you are mistaken in the way you have portrayed me. I will be praying for you that you see the light.

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[Savedbygrace]

I was going to try to stay out of this, but I just wanted to note as an outside observer, that Satan really has a foothold here. We have all been hurt in the past. This is a place of healing. It would be great if we could always get along, but that is not reality.

Maybe the hurt parties could try to work things out using PM's instead of using the public forum, and then having others jump in and take sides. That is just an idea. It seems like there is a lot of judgement and attacking going on, and that is not helping anyone.

We all need a place of healing. We all need a place to feel safe. When we start accusing, attacking, saying hurtful things that are really only our opinions, it helps no one and hurts everyone involved.

I pray that all that are feeling angry, hurt and resentful over all of this can find healing and forgiveness in their hearts.

Love,

Trish

[Voyager]

Just to make a sidenote here, in my posts on this thread I never once called anyone a name or attacked anyone. I did, however, state in detail my disagreement with the Fox posts. Afterwards I was attacked by Daisy, and then by Emerging over their past grievances with me. In their posts they both called me the following names:

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Repulsive
Gloater
Jerk
Abusive
Rude
Wolf In Sheep's Clothing
Lacking in Integrity
Reprobate
Fool
Wolf Feasting on an Innocent Lamb

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I challenge you to find one instance on this forum or the old forum of me calling anyone a name. You won't find it. I do not personally attack people. I state my opinions, which are sometimes controversial. But they are never an attack on anyone. If you take them that way, that is your problem, not mine.

I stand by what I said to the Foxes. What they posted was wrong, and I shared my disagreement with them. I never called them any names or attacked their character in any way.

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[foxfamily238]

You definately have some anger issues to clear up. I will not be a part of such intense bashing and hateful attitudes.

You may feel the need to justify your attacks (never said "personal", just "attacks), but you have definately allowed your true colors to show through.

I came on here seeking positive feedback, and instead got tag-teamed with spiteful comments and replies.

This "recovery" forum's reputation for what it should have meant to be is shamed by your words. (When I mentioned I didn't feel comfortable sharing.. your reply was "good... we can move on") That is as carnal as a cat, and you need to get right with God. That is incredibly displeasing to the Lord, and exact opposite of the charactor of Christ.

Really a shame I had no chance to meet up with some of you, and volley encouragement and stories back and forth... to EDIFY. As opposed to you and tag-team's increidbly destructive and tearing down.

You guys sincerely need to pray through to the Holy Ghost, and get in a bible believing midset.. sincerely.

God bless those of you reading this, and know my spirit and the spirits of those that did and said what they said...
"Ye shall know them by their fruits."


Ministers, M&T Fox
foxfamily238@hotmail.com

[Voyager]

That is as carnal as a cat, and you need to get right with God. That is incredibly displeasing to the Lord, and exact opposite of the charactor of Christ...

You guys sincerely need to pray through to the Holy Ghost, and get in a bible believing mindset...

Ministers, M&T Fox

This is where the problem lies with your posts. You are trying to be a spiritual leader to this forum. Every time someone has come onto these forums with an agenda like this, it always sends the forum into orbit.

Some of the members of this forum may be looking for a spiritual leader, so they defend posts like this. Personally, I am not looking for a spiritual leader, so I see posts like this as a threat to the well-being of the forum - and rightfully so. Just look at this whole thread and see it for yourself.

Am I angry? No. Am I calling anyone names? No. Did I attack anyone's character? No? Did I condemn anyone? No. Am I being blamed for the hostility, anger, character assault, and condemnation that is in this thread? Yes.

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[Emerging]

I came on here seeking positive feedback, and instead got tag-teamed with spiteful comments and replies. Ministers, M&T Fox foxfamily238@hotmail.com

Hi and I never did get around to actually replying to your query. it IS triggering to have someone come along like you innocently did BUT perhaps not real Christian to jump down your throats for your posts - it doesn't seem like you meant any harm? It would be interesting to find out more about you - do you have a website I could check out? Or any of your ministries online somewhere?

I guess you now have a chapter, if not whole book, about all the ways survivors trigger off things that you never realized could be so upsetting? Yes, WAY too often people have said we could trust them ... and we've regretted doing so ... :( :o... sighs...

... but, I do think that if you look at the various threads and postings, you will learn a lot more about how even the most wounded here can really come together and do a pretty darn good job of nurturing each other when help is needed.

[Satscout]

((((((((OLD ENT)))))))))))) AMEN!!! P.S. What IS an ent?
:) The Ents were characters in the Lord of the Rings - the tree-keepers, the ones with the very long memories... who had never heard of "hobbits" or "halflings"... and the one who met Merry and Pippin went so far as to create a new line in the song/poem that listed "all" living things.

So the implication IMO is a long memory that is flexible enough to adapt to new things... and accept that the present reality as we know it isn't all there is.

hmmmm... makes me want to be more entish... :D

Sharon