**Information About Virginia Ann Froehle**

[Illuminated]

Virginia Ann Froehle, the author of the meditations ninaspirit has been quoting in her series of posts in the NACR forum, is the author of a book named Called into her Presence: Praying with Feminine Images of God.

She has also written a favorable statement about a book named The Goddess In the Gospels: A quest for the Sacred Feminine in Christinaity, written by Margaret Starbird. Information on this book states:
The sacred number of her epithet identifies Mary Magdalene with the most ancient symbol for the "Great Goddess" -- the () known as the "Vesica Piscis" and "measure of the fish." The Mary called "Magdalene" is the lost Bride of the Christian story.
Margaret Starbird has always believed the promise that if the Grail were found, the wasteland would be healed. Here is the story of her own journey with its anguish and its joy -- her quest for the "Lost Bride" hidden behind the medieval legends of the Holy Grail. The book also discusses gematria encoded in the Greek texts of the New Testament Gospels. These ancient number codes provide astonishing proof that the sacred partnership of Christ and Mary Magdalene was once the cornerstone of the "Way."
Exiled from our consciousness for nearly two millennia, it is time to reclaim the Forgotten Bride at the very heart of the Christian mythology.
http://www.margaretstarbird.net/

This same book is recommended on a site that advocates books about witchcraft: http://groups.msn.com/covenofthegrail/bookshelf.msnw

I knew there was something that bothered me about the name Virginia Ann Froehle!

I am wondering if anyone knows anything else about either of these authors and whether or not their beliefs would be considered valid in today's Christianity?

[butterfly]

I looked up Virginia Ann Froehle rsm. What I read is she is a catholic nun who is part of The Sisters of Mercy .
For Margaret Starbird I would not read her books!
For her favorable statement about Margaret Starbird maybe alot of Virginia"s readers do not know that. Thank you for the information.
I understand your consern I would have one my self if I read that.
Do you think that Ninasprit didn"t know about Virginias favorable statement??
DO you think Ninasprit reading Virginia"s books has anything to do with Jess post? butterfly

[Willow]

Illuminated,

I understand your concerns. However, I also know you have a disagreement going on with ninaspirit right now. I'd like for you to resolve it without undermining her here. I know you weren't initially trying to hurt her when she posted as Jess. However... this looks hurtful and on purpose. Please put away the stick.

Amy

[hornblower]

all this grail stuff...........what a crock. I feel so sorry for anyone that gets into this stuff. Truthfully I dont get it at all.

Why would anyone want a piece of something? Or a something? I hope someone is following my meaning here. Why would anyone even read anything about it?
If I wanted some old cup or a piece of cloth or a statue or a piece of rock or even more literature I would just go buy the dumb stuff and then sit there and watch it rot with all of my other stuff.............which is exactly what Jesus said it would do?

My sister gave me the book, I forget the name, the movie is coming out. I dont know where my sister is coming from half the time. She doesnt go to church. Wont go. She thinks she has enough problems............and shes got a good point there, but still you know, I half the time even though I adore her, dont take everything she says without a lot of doubt. Her daughters all read all of this bologna. Im sorry but they are not walking with God........I love them but they just arent. So anyway she gets into all of it through them. They've read that Judas thing book all of this stuff?????????

Anyway I read it (that book they are making the movie with Tom Hanks in it)and its just a stupid little novel. The thing Is FICTION duh it says so! These people write this stuff to make money and its fun for them so what? They make a movie because its a fad thing to do so what?

Personally I dont care if even any of it is right.
Its not but I dont care.
God is who God is and what we write about Him or her or whatever isnt going to change Him one bit.
Thats like somebody saying hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I think you are a latino to me.....or hmmmmmm I think you have a sibling in wattooztiii..hmmmmmmmm you look like a man today........hmmmm no you must be a dog today.........

Doesn't change one thing! I am who I am you cant make me be somebody or something else.

I dont really know what happened to Jesus's stepfather. I say stepfather because His real Father is God that is what I do believe. So somebody could say this or that about his stepfather..........I dont care one bit doesnt change who Jesus is for me.
Does this make any sence to anyone? How do you spell sence or since or what is it anyway???? sense???????? common sense common cents sensiblesencenesssess???????????:eek:

[yeshua'smags]

Illuminated-

This needs to stop! You have beaten ninaspirit over the head ENOUGH! That poor child is hurting and you continue this??? Please STOP! You said you weren't going to be on here anymore, why do you keep delivering these blows? It is just mean. You chastised us yesterday, why do keep on with this board if we are so repellant to you?
Willow was right, this is a witch hunt and it needs to stop!

[SpinningHead]

There are many wonderful individuals that exist within Ninaspirit. It is difficult for us to understand how that is possible or how to completely respect that is who Ninaspirit is. (I say difficult b/c we know Ninaspirit through on-line and may never have the privilege of spending time with her in person(s).

All of these precious individuals are on their own unique spiritual journeys...wanting to know more of God, how to love more, how trust can be real...etc. It's the same journey we all are on.

I believe we can respect Ninaspirit's multiple journeys and make sure this is a safe place for everyone of Ninaspirit to post freely here.

I believe we can respect any source of spiritual encouragement anybody finds (regardless of the source) because, let's face it, the truth is the truth is the truth regardless of who spouts it. Truth can be found in the strangest places. If we feel the need to question a post, can't we can do it respectfully and gently?...Can't we ask questions the poster questions (of their intentions) before we drive home the judgement?

If a thread needs to be started about feminism or an author...must we name a poster's name? Can't the subject stand on it's own?

We're supposed to be a SAFE place! And that is what we ARE!!

[ninaspirit]

k, we owe you all a big thanks.

Jerry has help us with a lot of this. and you guys give us a lot of patence and love. insid we know we have Gods love. and we are lerning more. an we are leting this go. ok. Jess is safe. we are taking care of her. an she is doing beter.

we cant say enugh thanks for all the words you have for us and acepting us how we are. Spinning head and butterfly mags and hornblower. and Willow and others who talk with us befor. for making the bord a safe place for us.

we are not reading the fihting words no more. we are not good with figts and that is not good for us. well yah, we jus got more strong. but not loking for no fights. ok. so not saying no mor about that. jus leting it go. Jerry says we need having some humer wehn things get hard so may be we will check the funies.

we hope evry one will have a nice day.:) love C....ninas. ;) jess

[hornblower]

sweet nina I have this too I surely do understand ok? love you and take care of all ok?:o

[Willow]

Good move ninas... you are handling this really well!

[Illuminated]

Hey Folks!
I am just stating facts!
Why is everyone getting upset?
I just stated facts.
I guess maybe the truth hurts too much.

[Candy]

I myself have been used and abused by people calling themselves Christian. The only truly safe place to be is within myself and my God.

I am still dealing with NASTY abuses (you all don’t know them yet) done to me in my childhood. They affect me and how I act even today.

Nina, people are scared of my ADHD and my bipolar disorder (I can act like two totally different people, depending upon whether I am on the upswing or the downswing).

I may not have your experiences, Nina, but I understand you.

This forum has been generally accepting of me. Thank you for not leaving us. I left other email lists, because I could not stand to even chance further abuse of me. The vast majority of what you and I have received here is love and acceptance.

Like Nina, I want to continue to be able to trust God and His children.

Rock on, Christian Recovery! Rock on, Nina!

[Illuminated]

You chastised us yesterday, why do keep on with this board if we are so repellant to you? Willow was right, this is a witch hunt and it needs to stop!
How did I chastise you, Mags? I don't get it. What witch hunt are you talking about? I don't get that either. The only thing that is repellant to me is that the admin would not remove my posts when I asked them too. I was told that the posts were hurting someone, so I asked immediately for the admin to remove the posts. They wouldn't do it.
I am asking you this because you have a very good critical eye and see things differently, so I would like to know why you think I chastised you and why you think there is a witch hunt going on? I have just been stating some facts.
I am so tired, (in life - not here -), of pretending that everything that everyone says is ok and we must just accept everything in love because we are Christians. Some things are not all right. Some things need to be exposed as not being all right. Jesus spoke up when he saw wrong.

[Candy]

I think you can delete your posts if they were posted by you. I've seen this next to other deleted posts in this forum.

[tke316]

Hey Folks!
I am just stating facts!
Why is everyone getting upset?
I just stated facts.
I guess maybe the truth hurts too much.

Some might perceive (not that you intended it this way, just what might be perceived) that they should feel shame. People who have been abused are well practiced feeling shame. :(

Those who post something and then see replies that say, directly or indirectly, watch out for this post and/or the person who posted it could well perceive that they should feel shame. :(

That might be why people are getting upset. :confused:

There is hope that this forum can help with healing from Spiritual Abuse. It is stretching the "mission" of this forum to use it for fine-tuning correct doctrine, or use it as a watch-dog for new-age infiltration etc. ;)

Mercy.

[Illuminated]

Some might perceive (not that you intended it this way, just what might be perceived) that they should feel shame. People who have been abused are well practiced feeling shame. :(
There is hope that this forum can help with healing from Spiritual Abuse. It is stretching the "mission" of this forum to use it for fine-tuning correct doctrine, or use it as a watch-dog for new-age infiltration etc. ;) Mercy.I agree. Mercy! Thanks for explaining some of the furor. I appreciate your insight very much, and I can certainly relate to what you said about shame. I felt the shame when I was called stupid publically. No one apologised to me for that.

I asked the forum admin to please remove my comments that others told me they thought were hurting another member. The admin refused to do that. That in itself I believe is shameful.

People are still trying to shame me for the other things I have posted. They are trying to shame me for telling the truth. No matter - I still don't think is is all right to just stand by and let us be influenced by writings and references (new-age) that are not in keeping with Christian doctrine, at the expense of thinking everything is all right because we just love everyone because we are Christians and it doens't matter what anyone says!

All I did was talk about Jesus to someone. People tried to shame me for doing that by telling me that I was hurting someone. I tried to remove what I said so that person wouldn't be 'hurt'. I was not allowed to do that.

I tried to alert others to the influence of writers that were being quoted on the site. I am getting in trouble for doing that - people are trying to make be feel ashamed for that. They are accusing me of being on a witch hunt. What the heck is going on in this forum???
AAAGGGHHHH I give up!:eek:

[Illuminated]

I think you can delete your posts if they were posted by you. I've seen this next to other deleted posts in this forum.I tried this like crazy when this whole thing started, but I couldn't do it. Apparently you can only delete or edit within 10 minutes of posting.

[SpinningHead]

I agree. Mercy! Thanks for explaining some of the furor. I appreciate your insight very much, and I can certainly relate to what you said about shame[/B]. I felt the shame when I was called stupid publically. No one apologised to me for that.

All I did was talk about Jesus to someone....


Can you understand that a young girl named Jess trying to process some big adult stuff, and while doing so lashed out at you and called you a name because she felt threatened by you? Can you please forgive her for that?

You posted as if it were Jesus Himself posting and that was very confusing, hurtful, and threatening to Jess. She did not process that you were an adult trying to do whatever it was you were trying to do.

I personally did not intend to shame you, and I'm sorry I did. I did intend to hopefully make you realize why your posts were harmful. Since you asked the Admin to delete your posts...then that indicates you understand more now about NS than you did before.

I'm ok with you (always have been) and hope you don't leave.
Can we just have more of an understanding in the situation, learn from it and move on? I've read a lot of your other posts and still feel you are a valuable member of this forum w/ lots of good things to say. I believe your heart is full of encouragment and your experiences are worthwhile to speak about.

Can this happen?

[newlife]

I had a situation that occurred about a thread that I had started. A "spy" from the cult came on the forum and saw what I wrote and then called me. I didn't speak to the person, but my husband did and the person verbally attacked me to my husband. Of course he came to my defense, but it upset me greatly and I asked the admin to delete the thread. He wouldn't do it and gave me an explanation about why he didn't like to delete threads. He did say that if I wanted, I could continue to correspond with him about it. I decided to let it go, but I had to make other changes. So unfortunately, once that 10 minute time frame lapses, there's not much you can do about your threads.

I really hope that this matter can be let go. I hate to see people get upset on the forum...we're all "wounded soldiers"...we all have much healing to go through...we all get triggered sometimes...but I know that this forum really is a great place where great (though imperfect) people hang out!

Illum, I hope that you will choose to stay...

Love, newlife

[yeshua'smags]

How did I chastise you, Mags? I don't get it.

Re-read the last 4 paragraphs of your "Note", I am a member of this forum. I lumped myself into the category of "this forum".

What witch hunt are you talking about? I don't get that either.

Uh, have you read your last few threads/posts?

The only thing that is repellant to me is that the admin would not remove my posts when I asked them too. I was told that the posts were hurting someone, so I asked immediately for the admin to remove the posts. They wouldn't do it.
I am asking you this because you have a very good critical eye and see things differently, so I would like to know why you think I chastised you and why you think there is a witch hunt going on?

Ok, but let the record show....YOU asked.

I have just been stating some facts.

Great! Good job on the facts! Now please, just let it go.

I am so tired, (in life - not here -), of pretending that everything that everyone says is ok and we must just accept everything in love because we are Christians. Some things are not all right. Some things need to be exposed as not being all right. Jesus spoke up when he saw wrong.

Um, isn't that what you got all upset with me for doing in past posts? I didn't like what was being said to one poster by another, and you jumped on me for it.
YOU asked what my "critical eye" sees, here is my answer:
Please just drop this! You say you don't want to hurt anyone, yet you keep on posting this stuff. She called you stupid...big deal! Shake it off, she's a little girl!!
What are you gaining from this?
I see that you are hurt and are lashing out, but you are lashing out in the wrong way, at the wrong person. I have had some really ugly things said to me on this forum too, by ADULTS!!! If I can handle that, certainly you can have a little compassion for a frightened little girl?
You didn't speak to her like Jesus, you spoke to her as Jesus. BIG difference! And terribly presumptuous.
Please take what we are telling you, out of love, and just stop.
You are right, Jesus did speak up when He saw wrong. But not in a scary way, and He knew when to walk away after He made His point.

[Illuminated]

Thanks for your thoughts, Mags! :)

[Illuminated]

Illum, I hope that you will choose to stay...Love, newlifeThanks, new life!
I hope that someone posts quickly on another topic so this one won't be at the top of the list anymore!:o

[ninaspirit]

sweet nina I have this too I surely do understand ok? love you and take care of all ok?:o

coming looking for hornblower
we read it and we had gigles in ar midle all afternoon. :D it is real good meeting you. yous all take care to. love ninas. C...... jess