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help me
12-23-2005, 09:07 AM
Just a quick post on what I’ve found out so far – :mad:

The church is lead only by the pastor and the finance committee. No Elders or Lay Leaders. Deacons are assigned families to care for – they have no authority in any other church business. The beleaguered Minister of Music is no longer included in weekly staff meetings. At the last church business meeting, we were informed that the church was $45K in debt and sinking deeper very rapidly. The pastor's trip to Africa was paid for completely upfront and to boot, he bought a video camera to take with him with the church’s funds! But the pastor refuses to preach on giving because it’s such a “downer”. It’s definitely becoming harder to find out information – I feel they are “on” to me!

When I mentioned to my SS class the burden I’d had on my heart for this man & his family, the other members looked at me like I was an alien. Then I suggested we should take up a love offering for him (pay cut, child in college, Christmas (for Heaven's Sake!!!!), etc.) - and I was told that would be UNETHICAL to give money directly to him. All honorariums, etc., must pass through the finance committee (evidently a member of that!) for approval and dispersal. So I’m going to do just that – mail him a card with a check. Let’s see if they have spies at the P.O.!

I plan to order a number of the books suggested (thank you so much for the rec’s!) – but will have to wait until January since my budget is blown for Christmas.

Thanks again for providing a safe place for those that are hurting. The old adage that "Christianity is the only army that shoots it's wounded" does not apply here. Good for you.

Christmas Blessings to All!

Janice
12-23-2005, 02:44 PM
So I’m going to do just that – mail him a card with a check. Let’s see if they have spies at the P.O.!


LOL..GOOD FOR YOU! Christmas Blessings to you as well.

ex-shep
12-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Definitely sounds unethical. Sorry you had to contend with this at this time of year. In any case welcome aboard. You will find others have had equally chilling horror stories to share and can readily relate. Feel free to share whatever is on your heart and mind. It is my habit to keep tabs on the posts during the holidays. So I will be checking in and will respond if necessary. If you want to just read the posts and soak in the feedback, that is fine too.

Make yourself at home. Virtual coffeepot is always brewing. Fruitcake is unfortunately backordered.

Meg Evenstar
12-23-2005, 06:23 PM
Take it from someone who has been there. The church leadership is trying to run the music minister off. Don't be surprised to find out that lies have been spread about him and the good people of the church believe them. This man is a marked man for some reason or another. I saw the same thing done at our old church. Anyone on staff who showed any resistance to what the leadership was doing found himself the target of a campaign to be removed.

Sorry you are having to go through this but you will come through and be stronger on the other side because your eyes will be opened to the ugly side of the church. You will gain the courage to take a stand and God will strengthen you. I am convinced that we have all experience what we have because we are being strengthen for another time, and so that we can help one another because there will be others who will face the same trials and need picking up. Perhaps God has you where you are to help this family. Pray about it as I know you are. I'll pray too.

Meg

Kerrin
12-23-2005, 06:35 PM
Definitely sounds unethical. Sorry you had to contend with this at this time of year. In any case welcome aboard. You will find others have had equally chilling horror stories to share and can readily relate. Feel free to share whatever is on your heart and mind. It is my habit to keep tabs on the posts during the holidays. So I will be checking in and will respond if necessary. If you want to just read the posts and soak in the feedback, that is fine too.

Make yourself at home. Virtual coffeepot is always brewing. Fruitcake is unfortunately backordered.

Ditto!!! Sorry , it is horrible, what each what each of us has gone through, in "the name of Christ"; it's so comforting to know , you will be blessed here with many who understand , having experienced their own awful circumstances and also be able to relate to yours! ( I pray you receive as much , if not more, than I have from here; it's a great place, with great people).
Love
Kerrin;)