Celebrity SA

[truth]

Boy, spiritual abuse is everywhere.....

For years, we laughed about Dana Carvey's (Saturday Night Live) imitation of the now famous "Church Lady". We all have laughed and mentioned her here, too...

The other day I saw an interview with Dana Carvey and the interviewer asked him how the Church Lady character came about (I had never heard the story before) He said that he grew up in a pretty conservative middle-class suburban family and his family were church-goers, not regular church-goers but they did occassionally go. When they would go back to the church (after being gone) there were always ladies there making those remarks (his character always uses) those shamey, guilt-making comments like, "Nice of you to come to church, FINALLY, and pay a little attention to JESUS!!!!"

Anyway, as I listened I couldn't help but think how interesting it was now knowing what I have come to know about spiritual abuse and I realized that underneath "the humor" and the jokes and the laughs was probably an awful lot of pain for him and his family (like us here) because of the way he and his family were treated....I also thought about what an impact those times at the church must have made on him, for him to remember those moments so clearly years later and to actually create a character from it!

Just an observation......doesn't matter who you are; rich, poor, young or old,
SA leaves a big impact on you!

truth

[jane]

Wow, that is interesting to know....

and you know, if those church people watched him years later doing comedy they would probably not take any responsibility for their condemnation!

I imagine them saying, "see, We knew along how wordly that boy was!"


A church youth leader was teaching us one time that Marilyn Manson was raised in the church.....

the point was for us to love and take in the children because we never know what they experience in their home or in another church....

of course that teaching was when we were smaller and the spiritual abuse didn't seem to blossom.....

jane

[Meg Evenstar]

Wow, that is interesting to know....

and you know, if those church people watched him years later doing comedy they would probably not take any responsibility for their condemnation!

I imagine them saying, "see, We knew along how wordly that boy was!"


A church youth leader was teaching us one time that Marilyn Manson was raised in the church.....

the point was for us to love and take in the children because we never know what they experience in their home or in another church....

of course that teaching was when we were smaller and the spiritual abuse didn't seem to blossom.....

jane


You know there is more to the Marilyn story than ever gets told. MM was indeed raised in church. It just so happens it was a church my sister is affiliated with in the greater Canton, Ohio area. He was a student at Heritage Christian School run by the infamous Independent Baptists. That poor child was abused horribly by this group and is a product of their creation. My sister has heard all the stories concerning him and it is a very sad story. He later went to another IB school and church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida and he was abused there as well. It was from there that, as I was told, he left the church.

My sister's daughter attended an Independent Baptist school in Massillon for six years and was abused so terribly that it's hard to describe. Their fundamental belief is "You must first break the will of a child so it can be reshaped into the will of God". You can only imagine what that entails.

My BIL is dyed in the wool IB and would not allow his daughter to be removed until she had a break down. My sister wanted to press charges, but her husband would not allow it. He honestly believes they are right in what they do.

Meg

[Carmen]

I had no idea about MManson. Independent Baptist, eh?

Goodness Meg! A breakdown? the poor child! It is apparent that MManson is an outward apparition of what they've got on the inside. They ought to let him advertise for them.

[truth]

and you know, if those church people watched him years later doing comedy they would probably not take any responsibility for their condemnation!

I imagine them saying, "see, We knew along how wordly that boy was!"



Right, or --- we know he knows the truth, we planted the "good seeds" when he was here - it will take time - but he'll come back ....he's just away now and following the world! Bring up a child in the way -

can't you hear them right now? they'll pray for him and they know he's making fun of them but they're above it all and we'll just lift him and his poor family up in prayer until they all get it!

and whoa, the MM story Meg whoa, these celebs are PRODUCTS not REBELS of the system!

[ex-shep]

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My sister's daughter attended an Independent Baptist school in Massillon for six years and was abused so terribly that it's hard to describe. Their fundamental belief is "You must first break the will of a child so it can be reshaped into the will of God". You can only imagine what that entails.

Tammy's group 20 years ago used to pray that God would break a believer's independent spirit. The problem was the elders did the shaping with horrendous results. It was not nice.