It has started

[mstar]

Do need prayer, it has started.

Hubby's pastor & co. have started their control campaign by way of e-mails, conversations with hubby making promises to take one of his projects to the "big boys" in Nashville, messages to "say hello to our daughter" who will be coming home from Calif this week for the Christmas holidays. Not one word to me or about me. It is like I don't exsist. Maybe to them I don't. . .a Jezabel heading for hell. They are more blind than I thought if they think my daughter will attend that church during the holidays. She avoids that place like the plague. It is a plague.

I am starting to lose hubby again, as he is now becoming so absorbed in this project, the church, and his church buddies. I am being shut out and undermined. It is so sutle and that is what makes it so dangerous.

Well, we knew it was a matter of time, just was hoping for a little more "restoration" time.

I love my hubby. . . we have a history together. His personality has changed during this past year due to a major surgery and this church moving in while he was weak. If something should happen I would never remarry. I am in my late 50's and it is so late to "get another life." Our children are grown and have their own lives, which is the way it should be. I guess I feel adrift.

Anyway, would appreciate your prayers.

[Theodora]

:(

Will certainly be keeping you and all in prayer. Please keep posting as you can and know that you will NOT be forgotten here!!!

In His love--

Theodora

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Do need prayer, it has started.

Hubby's pastor & co. have started their control campaign by way of e-mails, conversations with hubby making promises to take one of his projects to the "big boys" in Nashville, messages to "say hello to our daughter" who will be coming home from Calif this week for the Christmas holidays. Not one word to me or about me. It is like I don't exsist. Maybe to them I don't. . .a Jezabel heading for hell. They are more blind than I thought if they think my daughter will attend that church during the holidays. She avoids that place like the plague. It is a plague.

I am starting to lose hubby again, as he is now becoming so absorbed in this project, the church, and his church buddies. I am being shut out and undermined. It is so sutle and that is what makes it so dangerous.

Well, we knew it was a matter of time, just was hoping for a little more "restoration" time.

I love my hubby. . . we have a history together. His personality has changed during this past year due to a major surgery and this church moving in while he was weak. If something should happen I would never remarry. I am in my late 50's and it is so late to "get another life." Our children are grown and have their own lives, which is the way it should be. I guess I feel adrift.

Anyway, would appreciate your prayers.

[butterfly]

[[[[Mstar]]]]
Well Nashville is a big carrot to put in front of your hubby.:( :(
I will pray for your family.
Now about being in your late 50"s. I am 56 and I feel the same way you do. If anything happen to my husband I would be to old to start over. I feel I am old who would want me anyways.
I wonder how many woman our age feel this way?
I have been around the block once. The second time I am taking my time. I am wiser and I don"t want to race time.:) butterfly

[Meg Evenstar]

[[[[Mstar]]]]
Well Nashville is a big carrot to put in front of your hubby.:( :(
I will pray for your family.
Now about being in your late 50"s. I am 56 and I feel the same way you do. If anything happen to my husband I would be to old to start over. I feel I am old who would want me anyways.
I wonder how many woman our age feel this way?
I have been around the block once. The second time I am taking my time. I am wiser and I don"t want to race time.:) butterfly

Here is another that does. I'm 51 and if anything happens to my husband I will remain alone.

That being said, Mstar, I am so sorry this is happening to you. Church is suppose to re-enforce the family, not tear it apart. You are Southern Baptist, right? So are we and in my SBC church, church work was to come before family. We were taught that nothing was to be placed before God -- not even your spouse or children and of course church was God in our church. Church works = serving God and family suffered. That was considered a sacrafice for God.

So if you are in an SBC church I am assuming you are going through what I went through, so I can certainly feel your pain.

Meg

[truth]

praying for you....

truth

[Janice]

((((((((mstar)))))) prayers going up^

[Theodora]

Do need prayer, it has started. (snip)

I am starting to lose hubby again, as he is now becoming so absorbed in this project, the church, and his church buddies. I am being shut out and undermined. It is so sutle and that is what makes it so dangerous.

Well, we knew it was a matter of time, just was hoping for a little more "restoration" time.

I love my hubby. . . we have a history together. His personality has changed during this past year due to a major surgery and this church moving in while he was weak. If something should happen I would never remarry. I am in my late 50's and it is so late to "get another life." Our children are grown and have their own lives, which is the way it should be. I guess I feel adrift.

Anyway, would appreciate your prayers.

Hi again, mstar---It's early here and I'm only semi-awake, but...as I was re-reading this thread your concluding comment jumped out at me, e.g. "If something should happen I would never remarry. I am in my late 50's and it is so late to 'get another life.'"

Is it possible that your husband is USING that unstated fact about your situation to act out HIS fantasies of what it might mean to create a fuller life for himself??? What I mean is that it's kind of like having your kids give you the WORST of themselves at home...because they ARE at home....while when they're in public, it's quite possible that they've been able to behave themselves. It seems to me that your husband is COUNTING on YOU going the "extra mile" with him because he's assuming that, however much stuff he's adding to complicate your lives, it will be YOU needing to adapt to it AND that it gets down to the assumption that "a bad marriage is better than no marriage."

???

Will leave it at that! I certainly wouldn't want to speculate on the latter thought I just offered!

As I'm able to do so, I'll try to search out your previous posts so that I have a better idea of your situation. As the saying is here "Take what works and leave the rest."

DO know that I'm thinking of you and will be keeping you all in prayer.

Love,

Theodora

[Jerry]

His personality has changed during this past year due to a major surgery and this church moving in while he was weak.
Yes and the change ?????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is no longer immortal.......He now knows that the ponderous broom of history will sweep him away,,,,,as it will all of us.............Now they dangle immortality in front of him to entice him :mad: A POX ON THOSE BASTURDS !!!!!!!
Love Jerry

[NotGrindedDown]

Yes and the change ?????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is no longer immortal.......He now knows that the ponderous broom of history will sweep him away,,,,,as it will all of us.............Now they dangle immortality in front of him to entice him :mad: A POX ON THOSE BASTURDS !!!!!!!
Love Jerry
:mad:

:mad:

Exactly right, Jerry, exactly right!

What keeps my own sanity is that this site shows I am not alone -- I'm sure others feel the same.
Though the problem is, "What's to be done?"

[Jerry]

:mad:

:mad:

Exactly right, Jerry, exactly right!

What keeps my own sanity is that this site shows I am not alone -- I'm sure others feel the same.
Though the problem is, "What's to be done?"
Whats to be done ???? Just what we are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,crying in the wilderness ;) Don't worry I know how this ends,,,,,,,,,,,,,read the book :D
Love Jerry

[Meg Evenstar]

BTW -- I am praying for you too. Prayer substained us; my family got out and we are still together. You will too.

Meg

[Carmen]

Hi ((((mstar)))),

I'm sorry to hear that the drums have started. Boom! Doom! I hate those. Maybe they'll be surprised when your daughter doesn't show up. Seems like they are trying to promote your husband, or at least pat him on the back so he'll keep playing church with them. I hope somebody slips up big time so he can see it. What will it take to wake some people up? Maybe he needs to see the balrog to believe it. It is usually an unseen force under the mountain....all you have to do is look for the signs, sense the evil, orcs can be telltale, and then the drums - that's when you have to escape before it comes...

Seriously, I really hope that his eyes can be opened in some way. It seemed as if you would have some relief. Maybe you can leave appropriate articles laying around, about the false doctrine that is specifically going on there. He may just happen to read them and start thinking. I have been working on some friends for two years now and they are starting to see the truth about their church. At least they were willing to listen to me. Problem is when husbands don't believe their wives.

Carmen

[mstar]

Just a quick post to say thank you for your prayers, thoughts, and the Christian love that should be coming from our local churches.

I am starting to get a migrane and have taken medicine for it that makes me sick, but is better than the headache. When I feel better I will go back to answer your thoughts and timely advice.

Theo, I think you may have "hit it". Sometimes we can be so close to a situation we can't see what is going on, particulary if it is one that has lasted a long time. At any rate he is at home today working on his church projects while I have attempted to carry the responsiblities. He is in "his world" now and can't see me or the needs of this home. The pressure got to me badly this am and I am sure that is what has lead to this migraine.

He has rehursal at church this evening to work out Christmas music for the service on Christmas morning. I can't go to church with my husband on Christmas morning! It like what Janice said in one of her earlier posts. . .you are not allowed to be a member of your own husband's church. (my paraphase, Janice. . .hope I remembered this correctly) This is mind blowing!

I need to go lie down and hopefully get rid of the headache. I will try to post later and answer you all. Thank you for being there. God bless you!

[mstar]

Hello,
Feeling better as the headache has lifted. Still not feeling so well from the medicine, but good enough to function and to answer some of responses.

Yes and the change ?????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is no longer immortal.......He now knows that the ponderous broom of history will sweep him away,,,,,as it will all of us.............Now they dangle immortality in front of him to entice him :mad: A POX ON THOSE BASTURDS !!!!!!!
Love Jerry

Hubby had emergency by-pass surgery a little over a year ago. For some time after, he was not himself, child like. I don't know if he had a minor stroke or what. He has recovered for the most part now, and would be in good shape had not this church grabbed him during his "childlike stage". I guess, once again, Satan uses the same tactics over and over. As you know, these cults prey on those in uncertain circumstances ie. the freshman college student first time away from home. Children, old people, widows, the weak.

We had not been in touch with these people in about 25 years when we had a "chance" meeting right before hubby's surgery. They got us into the church during this crisis (I did not know if my hubby was going to make it), after his surgrey, they had him on stage as soon as possible. I was reeling from the whole thing and did not "get into things" at the church in the time frame set up for me. That made me an immediate target as well as my daughter. So it was a "butter up snow job" on hubby with the fruit of an inflated ego along with condemnation for me and my daughter since we were not at the church 24/7 . . . giving all. Thank God we didn't have much to give, therefore things became clear fairly quick. So condemnation for us in the pew and flattery for Hubby on the stage.

Hubby has regained much of his strength and would have been pretty much back to normal had it not for the mind control from this church.

Meg, you nailed the SBC very well. That is the way it is, only this particular church is run by a tight, sick family clan, who thinks they are specially chosen by God and everyone is to give them stuff and serve them.

Butterfly, you are right, Nashville does seem like a "big carrot", but it is a lie. God is able to give Hubby what he needs, it is not necessary he prostitute himself for advancement. God gives favour and opens doors as He sees fit to do so. If he doesn't, we don't need it. He has promised to meet our needs.

Carmen, I have left articles around, he just doesn't see. Only God can make him see, if he does at all. I am going to have to die to this and it is hard. I can't change him, only God can change a heart and open eyes. He is going to have to do the work . . .I am sure He already has, I just can't see it right now.

The Belrog, the drums. . . what did Gandalf say? Something like "This foe is too great for you. . . RUN!"

I am running into my prayer closet. Jesus is going to have to be my Gandalf concernig this.

All you older sisters, if we lose our Hubbies, and were medival Catholics, we could take the "veil", go into nunneries, wear horsehair shirts, fast until starvation, pray 24/7, beat ourselves with whips to get rid of sin in our lives. . .oh, thats right we are trying to recover from SA. (I does sound like some of these cults, doesn't it)

Thank you all again for the prayer and support. Just going to have to trust God to detach and live my life as He would want me to. I just wish it was as easy to do and to write.

[Janice]

Meg, you nailed the SBC very well. That is the way it is, only this particular church is run by a tight, sick family clan, who thinks they are specially chosen by God and everyone is to give them stuff and serve them.


Hmmmm.....sounds like the church I go to. Family "owned & operated!

[Joseph]

I had migranes for over 20 years, I feel your pain, I used to take imitrex and it made me sick too. Just what you need on top of everything else, right?
Joe

[mstar]

I had migranes for over 20 years, I feel your pain, I used to take imitrex and it made me sick too. Just what you need on top of everything else, right?
Joe

I take a similar Imitrex drug as a last resort. It makes me sick, but I guess it is better than the hospital. I haven't been to the hospital for several years for migranes because this awful drug does work. You wonder sometimes what this stuff does to your system. Maybe I don't want to know. . .got enough problems.


Yes Janice, you got it . . .family owned and operated. . . bought and sold.

Other than family, only "sucker servents" are allowed. An equal opportunity ward boss. . ."We threat all surfs equaly".

[Janice]

Yes Janice, you got it . . .family owned and operated. . . bought and sold.

Other than family, only "sucker servents" are allowed. An equal opportunity ward boss. . ."We threat all surfs equaly".


Hmmm...sad but true! :mad:

[Carmen]

Hi mstar,

For the drums in your head: I find that taking an aspirin or two just when I start to notice the pain can do wonders. If I can, I lie down for a half an hour in the silent dark too, and just let everything go for that time. Prayer makes the time go by faster and helps me relax. Usually everything is better after that, as long as I took the aspirin in time. If I get a migrane at all, they come from a day or so before or a few days into my period. I hear that those with such problems don't have them after menopause or hysterectomy. The headaches have come less often after childbirth, at least for me.

Carmen

[mstar]

Hi mstar,

For the drums in your head: I find that taking an aspirin or two just when I start to notice the pain can do wonders. If I can, I lie down for a half an hour in the silent dark too, and just let everything go for that time. Prayer makes the time go by faster and helps me relax. Usually everything is better after that, as long as I took the aspirin in time. If I get a migrane at all, they come from a day or so before or a few days into my period. I hear that those with such problems don't have them after menopause or hysterectomy. The headaches have come less often after childbirth, at least for me.

Carmen


Hey Carmen. Thanks for the above advise. My headaches started after a fall when I had received a hard blow on the back of my head and neck. I was never right after that. Like you, at the first sign of the headache, I attempt to go to my room and rest, . .shut out the noise, lights, whatever. Most of the time this does stop them.
Glad yours are better. They can be awful.