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Hope 98
11-02-2005, 06:56 PM
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The following is an email I received a couple of weeks ago from my son-in-law's mother, someone I had considered a friend when she lived nearby. She moved out of state a few years ago, & we have not maintained a lot of contact.

Subject: So you think (daughter #2) is trouble?
My dear friend,
Do you think my daughters think I am/was a model mother? Hah! I know what (daughter #1) says abt you. She does not reject you like my daughters are rejecting and judging me in many words and condescencion and disrespectful actions! (daughter #1) may have wounds from her childhood (I am assuming, she does not talk ill of you.) but she loves and cares deeply for you. She is acting with great grace and maturity and I am so proud of her. You have so much to be proud of in her. I hope some day to see that maturity and grace in all our daughters. Maybe after they have tasted parenthood for a while, like (daughter #1), and realize how difficult it is to do it right - all the time - and never mess up, always say and do the right thing, always separate oneself from the things of ones own past! If they don't, they get to live it in their own lives (sow the wind, reap the whirlwind) Judge and be judged. I so desperately hope and pray that none of our daughters will come under that curse.
I believe it is our mercy that has tripped us up. We have had mercy when we should not have, on ourselves and on our kids. We have demanded mercy (to be excused) when we should have bowed under God's discipline! Human mercy demands a victim and a bad guy and a rescuer. Human mercy demands that it's object is always made to feel good abt themselves. No matter what. Dare confronted me on this pattern in my life and for the first time, I recognized it: Poor me, look at how I have suffered, they hurt me, I must have a loyal friend and God help the friend if they are not !00% in agreement with my view!
How can we ever grow if every darn thing that hurts is a devastating blow to poor vulnerable me and everyone else is a &*%&^%&^*&^&^. (I am still fighting this feeling, every day) It feels soooo good to feel martyred and cry and blame-shift. I have lain in bed in a fetal position and wept and wept, and raged at God and everyone else. But God will not remove His hand of discipline til I get it, and grow, because in His mercy, He knows, like everyone else, I have things in my soul He needs to deal with and He ALWAYS uses others to bring out our issues. And He never stops til He gets what He wants done!
And, by the way, when we indulge and have too much mercy on our kids, they judge us more harshly and do not fear losing us, almost like they have contempt for our mercy. They have contempt when we cry and say they hurt us, they despise our mushy hearts! We become needy soul suckers. That has given me a new motive to grow some steel in my spine and stop bleeding! And I don't mean bitterness. Steel, baby, steel!
We have entered a new phase of our lives. The birth pains hurt. But Jesus is capable of bringing us thru whole and we will again rejoice. We will be stronger and wiser and less vulnerable to every buffeting blow. We will be healed of our old, old wounds, and able to love the way Jesus loves, selflessly,without whining when others do stupid stuff. We will be able to hear, calmly without self-defense, when others tell us how we failed them. (I have had a steady diet of this, please believe me. Even my sister will no longer speak to me and says I have "destroyed her family" because of something Dana said to Amy abt Peggy. No one likes me anymore!))
When He is done with this phase, we will be able to repent and change, with grace, dignity and healthy self-love. They will have far less power over how we feel abt ourselves! And won't that be nice!
Like I said, I am a few years ahead of you in this. Run to Him, trust the pruning shears in His hands and stop screaming. I can say that because I have finally stopped screaming inside. (OK, most of the time, ) Don't wait, take a leap of faith that He is able to take you thru and you don't have to feel like someone is doing open heart surgery without anesthesia. We must take this risk of faith, quiet our spirits, set our faces like flint, like soldiers, reject the sins of bitterness and self-pity by an act of will and obedience. There is no other way out of the pain. If we dont, it will be permanent pain.
[Hope], it is God who is dealing with us, growing us up, tearing us away from the things of our past, preparing us to be matriarchs of strength and maturity and wholeness. It is not a concerted attack of betrayal by our families! If you can see it as God disciplining (training and pruning) us, it will be so much less painful. He knows what he is doing and He has no selfish cruel motives like humans.
I am and will remain your faithful friend. I have no other motives and want your beautiful grandchildren to have both grandmas. It would be very sad indeed if they did not grow up with you in their hearts. They would have missed a treasure..

butterfly
11-02-2005, 09:17 PM
[[[[Hope]]]] That is a very strange email . Does she go to a SA church?
You have enough to go thru. You don"t need her adding to your troubles. Does she go on and on like this all the time?
I hope thimgs are better at your home with your daughter. Did you understand what she was trying to say. It was hard for me but it is late and I am tired.:D butterfly [shirley]

Hope 98
11-02-2005, 09:40 PM
Thanks Shirley,

When I copied & pasted, I lost all the paragraph marks from the email and it got all bunched together- so it's even hard for me to keep straight.

I have already replied to her, and received a reply to THAT. But I wanted to find out what others see before I share the rest.

In a previous email she gave me a numbered list of my sins, and told me to pray against the generational curse, or all the daughters from mine forward would be bitter forever.

I was going to tell you what I thought she meant - but I don't want to color others' opinions yet.

AS far as my daughter (#2) is concerned. We are making progress, but getting very tired and frustrated. Tired of the constant tension, and frustrated by the mental health/medical community and the money it costs to have our lives further torn apart.

Struggling with my husband just because of fatigue and misunderstanding.

Thanks for the response - I was starting to fear what people may be thinking.

butterfly
11-02-2005, 10:44 PM
Hope, I have been having trouble with posting replys. When I submit the post the sign in comes up and I have to sign in again!!!!:mad: :mad: Lost the repley I did this has happened twice responding to Leslie"s posts. It doesn"t happen all the time.
I will try again sometime in the sunny a.m. :D Right now I am tired.
I think about you alot and wonder how you are. Shirley

Satscout
11-02-2005, 11:08 PM
My first thoughts:

1. What planet is this woman from?

2. Why does she think she has the right to pass judgment on you?

*shakes head wonderingly*

This is so far off the wall I can't process it yet. I will have to come back and read it again.

ex-shep
11-02-2005, 11:57 PM
My first thoughts:

1. What planet is this woman from?

2. Why does she think she has the right to pass judgment on you?

*shakes head wonderingly*

This is so far off the wall I can't process it yet. I will have to come back and read it again.


You are in good company. Of course it is getting late enough as it is. The above post pretty much sums it up.

Janice
11-03-2005, 12:46 AM
((((((((((((((Hope)))))))))))))

Sorry, I have no advice, just hugs. :(

Carmen
11-03-2005, 03:04 AM
Hi Hope,

She can't know what your sins are, they are between you and God. "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies." Romans 8:33. I see what she is getting at, but it is from another frame of reference, I would call it skewed.

Of course God can use everything that has happened to us for our good, Romans 8:28, (and I believe in the sovereignty of God) but, I do not believe that he purposefully hurts us, that is what others do to us if they are not behaving themselves. No, the people that hurt us are responsible for their actions and THEY will pay for them if THEY do not ask God's forgiveness.

But I think that your friend misinterprets Romans 8:28. She seems to be saying that God is purposefully hurting you. That cannot be the case. He knows that it is happening but He is not the cause. He can and will use it for your good, but He did not start it. He will punish those that have hurt you, if they do not make it up with Him first. They are fully responsible for their actions. If they see themselves as acting in God's stead while hurting you, then I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they have to stand in front of him and answer for every word and deed.

You are responsible only for your own actions, not how others treat you. Just stick with Jesus and keep focused on your relationship with Him and with the Father. They won't let you down. Nothing can separate you from His love, Romans 8:33-39.

Carmen

Hope 98
11-03-2005, 06:55 AM
Thank you all for your responses.

I would welcome even more. I'll post my response to her in a separate thread after I get my coffee.

Zoe
11-03-2005, 07:51 AM
Hi Hope,

Just seeing this now. A couple of things come to mind. Looks like projection, transference & triangling to me.

She probably hasn't got a clue how she's coming across. Totally believes in what she says & believes. Explaining it to her probably won't sink in. :(

SpinningHead
11-03-2005, 08:34 AM
Hi Hope,

Just seeing this now. A couple of things come to mind. Looks like projection, transference & triangling to me.

She probably hasn't got a clue how she's coming across. Totally believes in what she says & believes. Explaining it to her probably won't sink in. :(


Hope...

FWIW...I 100% whole heartedly agree with Zoe!

The woman is nuts! Do you need anymore nuts in your life? If so...buy an almond joy but leave this cracked on behind!

(((((((((((Hope))))))))))))))