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Joseph
10-22-2005, 07:16 AM
Ahab wanted a particular vineyard, Naboth didn't want to give it to him, Jezebel made it happen. This was my Pastors wife.
My former Pastor would play dumb, as if he didn't know anything about it, "Oh, my wife did that, you'll have to take it up with her" but all along he was in control and she was doing the dirty work. Ahab wanted that vineyard, he new his wife, he that she was aggresive and if he pouted around the castle long enough she would get tired of it and do something about it, and she did. She had Naboth stoned, took it, and gave it to Ahab. Ahab kept his hands clean and got exactly what he wanted.
I've been stoned quite a few times by her, and the Pastor always had no idea that we were having difficulty, he kept his hands clean.
I have seen this in 3 different churches.
Joe
SpinningHead
10-22-2005, 07:33 AM
Our Mrs. P was a numbers gal & she wanted the numbers of participation up and looking good. For SS, or a retreat or a lady's night....
One of the many examples was SS. She wanted us to attend...we did not. In one of my previous threads (I think it was where Gwen asked me about Life Coaching)...I learned to say NO and one did not say NO to Mrs. P! I said No to her, that we would not be attending SS...and she called out the "troops" (the nicest people) to call and "invite" or "just encourage" us to attend SS. I would tell them NO and then asked why they were calling or who brought us to their attention. They would tell me that Mrs. P mentioned it...and then I would say, "I'm so sorry she put you in this position...I already told her No, we wouldn't be attending SS this season...I'll have to remind her of that, she must have forgotten". Then the people would say, "Oh no! you don't have to do that...we'll be seeing her so we'll let her know." ;)
Jerry
10-22-2005, 07:45 AM
When I read these,,,all I can think of is my favorite quote from Hamlet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Angels and minesters of grace defend us".
Love Jerry
We went through a similar thing about telling someone "no".
We would get calls from our closest friends, at first it was just, "are you going?" then it became, "you need to be there." Then it became, "if you are committed to the vision, you need to be there." Then it became, "you won't be asked ever again as this is a sign of your heart."
This was about a leadership training group that we had already been to.. This was every Monday nights. This was in addition to the sunday service that went half a day, the home group that filled up the other half, The apprenticeship meeting after homegroup because we were apprentices....
That was sunday.
On Monday it was those leadership training classes called Timothy groups.
On Tuesday it was dance worship ministry.
Every thursday night was midweek service.
Every Wednesday was Victorious living OR another "Ministry meeting"
Friday night we were youth leaders and took turns taking out the youth.
Saturday, all day was building projects. We built AND I organized the meals to the work force of about 100 people. Sometimes cooking the meals.
In addition, I was a leader on the phone prayer ministry- my husband and I were leaders in the hospital visitation ministry- I ran the meals ministry which organized work days, home from the hospital meals, bearevement meals and any other meals... I was leader of the banner ministry- and a children's church teacher.....plus a whole lot more....
SO WHERE WAS THE FREAKING SABBATH DAY? WE also worked 40 hours!!!
Yet when we said no to Monday nights, WE WEREN"T COMMITTED TO THE VISION.
Yup, this thread triggered me. Sometimes I am so tired just remembering my schedule.
jane
truth
10-22-2005, 10:44 PM
Jane's trigger to Joe's trigger triggered my triggers!!!!!!
My family was heavily involved in the church and they asked my husband and I to lead the marriage ministry......we were attending church almost four times a week, leaders in the 12-step group, hosted home cell groups, I was on the women's ministry team, etc
well that was just involvement in the church - I was also heavily involved in volunteer work at a major non-profit child abuse organization that I felt passionate about.....when we told the pastor overseeing the marriage ministry "no" since I was so committed to my child abuse organization, he just sadly shook his head and said he just felt it was such a shame that one of the church's most gifted people was taking her gifts outside the local church --- instead of using them inside ......there at the church.
huuuh?? even his wife later said to me, "was he kidding with that? that's what you are supposed to do!"
but --- there was never enough....... for them.....guilt guilt guilt .....
Billie
10-23-2005, 04:52 AM
My old pastor's wife, I will call her big momma. Well the cult had a split the women prophet started her own cult and big momma claimed the women prophet abused her spiritially. :rolleyes: Now big momma is controlling the women and a spy for Big D (pastor). My schedule was only about 4 days a week slaving for them, but Big D would call some of his meeting mandatory, what a joke. Looking back this could make a good scarry movie. How sick, this is all from the pits of hell. :mad: I want my loved ones out of there, please pray their eyes will be opened. Thanks Billie
Billie-
Your post reminds me of a friend that I had to stop being friends with. She was going to a small intercity type church. Long story short, the pastor went to Africa and came back. He had an affair and divorced his wife. (they all believe that he picked up spirits in Africa because he didn't go with a big enough prayer covering :eek: )
The ex-wife storms into a meeting that they are having and tells "the board" that she was being divorced with out biblical cause.
The church splits, most follow her.
My friend is stunned. She idolized this pastor. She goes with the wife, gets "healing" and......
Well, they do this thing called "proving God". The pastor's wife's new husband called her up and says "God wants you to prove him".
She (my friend) has bought a car from their car business- top of the line, brand new. She gave all her furniture to the Pastor's daughter who had a baby out of wedlock and needs it. Her pastor (which is the woman now) carries her bank debit card incase she needs any money that the Lord puts on her heart while my friend is working. and the list goes on......
She wanted us to join her church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
We tried to talk to her about what was going on. She told us we were speaking of the devil
We had to end the relationship because we watched her get more and more insand and more and more used.
If this pentecostal church is the only way to heaven....well, heaven isn't what Jesus described then!
jane
Truth, Jane & SpinningHead,
That terrible word NO that they don't want to hear so they guilt trip you.
It's all about BOUNDARIES. They obviously don't understand that. Too bad you couldn't have had handy the book "Boundaries" by Cloud/Townsend to help you handle them.
SpinningHead
10-23-2005, 09:52 AM
Truth, Jane & SpinningHead,
That terrible word NO that they don't want to hear so they guilt trip you.
It's all about BOUNDARIES. They obviously don't understand that. Too bad you couldn't have had handy the book "Boundaries" by Cloud/Townsend to help you handle them.
I have that book now! :D
truth
10-23-2005, 10:46 AM
Reg, loved that book -- it is a classic -- they always said that the mark of maturity was a person's response to a "no" need we say more?
truth
I wrote a response to Reg and it is missing! :mad:
Reg- I had that book years ago.
It is a great book.
I knew the information in my head, but I didn't trust my heart and went after the approval from them over what I knew to be right. :rolleyes:
guess I am a little hard headed.
jane
I wrote a response to Reg and it is missing! :mad:
Reg- I had that book years ago.
It is a great book.
I knew the information in my head, but I didn't trust my heart and went after the approval from them over what I knew to be right. :rolleyes:
guess I am a little hard headed.
jane
Lesson learned. ;)
I don't know if you're hard headed or not. I get from you a strong-minded person.
One has to be like that as a Christian. We have to stick to our convictions despite the opposition.
When it comes to being really hard-headed, it has to be. I'm of Ukranian descent and they are one of the most stubborn types out there. :o
I'm of Ukranian descent and they are one of the most stubborn types out there.
well now you've helped me understand the problems that I have with my husband and our son.....
He is polish but his family is from the ukarain :p
stubborn is an understament :D
jane
Joseph
10-24-2005, 04:33 PM
Yes Reg, you got me. I've been known to occassionally be a little thick headed.
German roots can be thick at times. I think your point is 100% right, you take conviction, add a little thick headed, plus the Holy Spirit, everybody else has a problem.
I'm with you there brother!
Joe
Autumn
10-24-2005, 04:55 PM
When I read these,,,all I can think of is my favorite quote from Hamlet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Angels and minesters of grace defend us".
Love Jerry
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Yes , yes and yes again, BTW: dear guy, how are you doing these days? Your health of course has been on my heart, You are one of the good guys who have made such a difference in my life. I kinda like to keep you around for as long as possible. Of course the real party starts when when we all move beyond this earthly demention,, but meanwhile I am still here, and what you say keeps me sane and sound. love you brother, Autumn :D
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