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profnachos
10-06-2005, 01:42 AM
Yes, the LA Times - ProfNachos' hometown newspaper. That means you need to drop everything you are doing and pay attention. This is important.

This is a very interesting article about Evangelical Christians and how they live their lives. Obvously the statistics are misleading, but still she makes very astute observations on how Christians tend to explain their blemishes away while maintaining their self-righteous streak. I share her frustration.

I am posting it here since the online version requires registration.

The Dark Side of Faith

By ROSA BROOKS
IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.
Los Angeles Times Oct 1, 2005.

This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of "popular religiosity" and various "quantifiable societal health" indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.

Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.

He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on "values." Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to "values," if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.

Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were "red" in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.

Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around.

Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of "faith-based" social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.

We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational.

This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.

The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being?

Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent.

My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful.

To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry.

And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous.

Jerry
10-06-2005, 03:37 AM
Good article Prof... :)
P.S. Hahahahahaha just thought,your article is another good reason for Evangelicles to hate California :D
Love Jerry

Carmen
10-06-2005, 06:12 AM
I wonder if there is a correlation between Evangelical Fundamentalism and a rise in stress that would cause the higher crime rate. Or, it may be because a majority of those converted in such churches have not had a true conversion, i.e. are not filled with the Holy Spirit, otherwise they would behave somewhat more as described in Scripture. Either way, the prognosis isn't good. I bet crime will get worse with the purpose-driven phenomenon. In my opinion partaking in that system would cause a lot of stress.

SpinningHead
10-06-2005, 07:23 AM
I think the article presents some good points.

1. People are in fact watching Christians to see that their lives match what they say their faith is. Which, is why it IS so important to realize that your "personal life/decisions" do affect others. It is important to live your faith and by that I mean, doing what you know is right by God's standards (not the churches standards or some religious authority ie preacher, elders, church boards, etc) on a daily basis throughout your daily activity. I'm not responsible for how everyone lives their life, but I am responsible for mine. I can make a drop in the bucket difference when someone looks at my life...my little responsibility in the world is my little drop.


2. Notice that this article did not talk about those people whose lives have truly been transformed by Christ (not the church, religion but Christ). People are looking for evidence that being a Christian, attending church means squat. And we provided them that evidence.


3. Have we allowed spiritual abuse and the lives it destroys to become so commonplace that such strong articles that correlates suicides/abortions/homosexuality/etc...w/ being a Christian to have merit? We're reading this and taking it seriously as apposed to just one person's opinion. Is that where we are? and if so, is that ok? what do each of us do about it??? again...back to the personal responsiblity of taking care of your drop.


Profnachos, this was a great article to share! TYVM!

~SH :cool:

Jerry
10-06-2005, 10:19 AM
Ya know what really drives me bonkers is all the mixed messages by Christianity as a whole.Prayers were said for New Orleans both before and after the hurricane.Noteable Christians have publicly stated that this horrific disaster is somehow some kind of judgement from God.God created this world,and everything in it,and gave us dominion over it,and gave us the intellect,to understand that which He created.Can anyone tell me where God gave the command to build a city on the Mississippi delta at eleven feet below sea-level ???? To me,anyone who believes that that disaster is a judgement from God,must also believe that God is an idiot !!! Should we rebuild the city ??? Yes if we want to......God has given us the talent and capability to build citys where we choose.But lets have common sence and accurately define "Who" is responcable for "What"....It's no wonder to me that so many in the secular world think Christians are fools ;)
Love Jerry