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profnachos
08-02-2005, 11:02 PM
How churches "market" themselves has been on my mind a lot lately. They seem to have adopted strategies from secular marketing gurus and embellishing the truth is no longer a thing to raise an eyebrow over.

Of course, most intelligent consumers have learned to take what they see in commercials with a grain of salt. Nobody believes that drinking a specific brand of beer will attract a horde of gorgeous women.

Church brochures and websites are full of self-congratulatory remarks. For example, Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur has this (http://www.gracechurch.org/lem/pillars.asp?nc=1123044204294) to say:
What sets Grace Community Church apart from the current trends in Christianity is our unwavering commitment to biblical content.

We are (or were before we were abused) less likely to approach church advertisements with the same level of prudence and circumspection we practice in dealing with the secular world, and, if anything, are more likely take what churches say about themselves at face value. After all, they are Christians who aren't supposed to play fast and loose with truth.

So I joined the church with very high expectations after hearing glowing reports from people. What I was about to experience at Grace was to be nothing like what I had been exposed to before. My Christian faith was to be elevated to a whole new level, far distancing most churches in Southern California. It was going to be awesome. Well, we all know what high expectations do to people. My faith began to waver because I had been brainwashed to believe that I had seen the BEST of Christianity (much like what Hesed shared) and the church was, well to put it mildly, intensely mediocre .

What Jesus said to the church of Laodicea comes to my mind (scripture warning)

Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked

Sounds like Jesus got fed up with their self-congratulatory babble and essentially told them to STFU (excuse the language, but what Jesus told them sounds a lot harsher than that). It is interesting to note that while the other six churches got at least some positive reviews from Jesus, Laodicea only took the brunt of the anger of Jesus who had nothing nice to say about them.

Jesus seems to be truly offended by the church patting themselves on the back.

Again, just my humble observations....

lynn
08-02-2005, 11:21 PM
"My faith began to waver because I had been brainwashed to believe that I had seen the BEST of Christianity (much like what Hesed shared) and the church was, well to put it mildly, intensely mediocre ."

This statement hits home with me. That's why I stayed at my church so long. I thought that these were the only people who were "for real about God" and everybody else's Christianity was in vain. This is especially true because of our stricter standards than anyone else. Boy was I wrong! Now I see people from every denomination who are sincerely seeking God.

profnachos
08-02-2005, 11:33 PM
Lynn, not only did I stay at that church, but I WENT BACK after I left there because I missed the discipline and structure. While trying other churches, all the bad things that the pastor said about them kept playing in my mind and sure enough, when you look around for imperfections, you are going to find them. 'Everything he said about other churches is true', I said to myself.

So I went back thinking maybe I wasn't trying hard enough to be spiritual. Yeap, after getting burned, jumped right back into the same fire. How foolish was that?

"My faith began to waver because I had been brainwashed to believe that I had seen the BEST of Christianity (much like what Hesed shared) and the church was, well to put it mildly, intensely mediocre ."

This statement hits home with me. That's why I stayed at my church so long. I thought that these were the only people who were "for real about God" and everybody else's Christianity was in vain. This is especially true because of our stricter standards than anyone else. Boy was I wrong! Now I see people from every denomination who are sincerely seeking God.

Hesed
08-03-2005, 02:58 AM
My experience - which was from birth and then in church school (so five days a week!) - my experience of "strict standards" was that they were impossible to meet and then I'd go around with heavy burdens.

Can either one of you share what it was about strict standards that you found attractive? This is something I'm quite interested in - what people find attractive about strict churches.

(Can I note that I am now not "for lax standards"; I can see the damage it does to children especially when they have no standards at all, but I think that probably we have to aim for "true standards" and forgive ourselves when we don't always make the grade.)

Jerry
08-03-2005, 03:58 AM
I am intencely aware of my imperfections.So every darn time I join a perfect Church,,,,,,I ruin it :D
Love Jerry

profnachos
08-03-2005, 04:10 AM
The analogy that was given to me was driving along the cliff. While you do that, you do not try to push the envelope by getting as close to the edge as possible, else you risk falling down the cliff. How close can I get to the cliff without falling off? Well, you should stay as far away from it as possible.

So, for example, in a dating relationship, the question should not be how far can I go with the girl without crossing the line? Holding hands? Kissing? No, you should try to stay away and be as conservative as possible so as not to flirt with disaster.

Of course, in keeping the driving analogy, when you stay so far from the cliff, you might risk a head on collision with the car in oncoming traffic called legalism. The impact will not only total your car, but push you off the cliff that you've worked so hard to stay away from.

I also thought strictness would keep away people with dubious morals.

My experience - which was from birth and then in church school (so five days a week!) - my experience of "strict standards" was that they were impossible to meet and then I'd go around with heavy burdens.

Can either one of you share what it was about strict standards that you found attractive? This is something I'm quite interested in - what people find attractive about strict churches.

(Can I note that I am now not "for lax standards"; I can see the damage it does to children especially when they have no standards at all, but I think that probably we have to aim for "true standards" and forgive ourselves when we don't always make the grade.)

Hesed
08-03-2005, 08:32 AM
I am intencely aware of my imperfections.So every darn time I join a perfect Church,,,,,,I ruin it :D
Love JerryJerry: Awwwwwwww.....

Profnachos, thanks.

butterfly
08-03-2005, 08:19 PM
:D Jerry you are back! :D I liked your post. butterfly

Blake
08-04-2005, 05:49 AM
However, there isnt anything wrong with marketing a church or publicity at all..but there is the old showbusiness maxim..

DONT BELIEVE YOUR OWN HYPE.

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