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molehills
06-08-2005, 09:14 AM
I don't think this will trigger, but I'm no expert on that stuff. It isn't about the church stuff, I can't go there yet.


This is a pretty mild problem that I've found illuminating. I'm hoping you'll see more than I see. It's a "safe" problem to discuss I don't mind being open about.

When we moved onto our circle we were the second family to move in. I made a commitment to greet each neighbor as they moved in and to "love my neighbor as myself." It was challenging because I'm shy, but really rewarding. I found myself doing all kinds of really fun and interesting things and I made some good friendships. A new family moved in a while back and I greeted them, and we were getting to know each other when their family life exploded. It was terrible and they had three children. I threw open our family's resources--not money, but time and love. I was babysitting her three and my three while I was pregnant with our fourth at all kinds of last minute emergency thngs. I was helping her find support and help for the problems they were facing. I was really up to my arm pits in their mess until it began to resolve. Over the course of a year or so, they really made huge progress and it began to be time for them to start taking care of themselves again, so I started to step back. She got mad at me, but I expected that. I thought having a reason to be mad at me would help her recover her dignity after being so dependant. The "desperate calls" slowed down and an uneasy, but healthier relationship was developing. However, the burden was still on me. I felt that I had to remain always perfect and whatever. I made a mistake by skipping some basic etiquette. I knew I was making a mistake, but it was minor and I needed to see what would happen if I wasn't perfect anymore. They called me up and took turns yelling at me for a half hour and then my husband took the phone and they yelled at him for twenty minutes, slightly more respectfully. I apologized. I offered to do whatever they wanted to make things right. They didn't want anything but to yell at me. They wouldn't stop, so my husband hung up on them. I shut down and went into depression. My mom got so worried she told me I either had to get a grip or I was going to end up on medication. She was right. I wasn't even opening the blinds on our house. I called the neighbor over, and I told what had happened because of her choice. I told her I needed new and stronger boundaries and that my husband would no longer allow our children to play in her home. She agreed to that, and our relationship slowly recovered. My last baby was a bad pregnancy, and when it was over she had her whole church make meals for me even though I don't go to her church. I thought it was really nice of her.

Recently, she came over to ask me to tutor her son. He's struggling with reading. I love to teach kids to read, so we agreed to a tutoring schedule. He's not been coming, and I think she expects me to go and hunt him up. I'm making her take responsibility for getting him to tutoring. I'm beginning to regret offering to tutor him, not because I'm not enjoying tutoring but because she's taking advantage of me again.

Jerry
06-08-2005, 02:07 PM
Dear Molehills,,,,
It takes practice not to internalize the problems that you are helping others overcome and we also must remember one of the unpleasant aspects of helping others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no good deed goes unpunished ;) ....From time to time that is often true,,,,,I am just glad it isn't "ALL" the time :D
Love Jerry

Hesed
06-08-2005, 03:02 PM
I know it's a lot easier for me to say than for you to do, but I mean for this to be supportive: You are right that it's not your responsibility to hunt down her son for lessons.

Kerrin
06-08-2005, 07:56 PM
:) hmmmm.
I have some thoughts however ,if I may I think my prayer is that The Lord by the power of His Holy Spirit give you wisdom, and the ability to discern "helping and loving your neighbour" ,as opposed to maybe 'enabling', assisting 'dependance' on you!

Your other post relating the "need to Please".........(*thinking*)

I am not meaning to offend you in any way and tell me if I've over stepped the mark ........please. :o
I had, (had), a friend who saw herself this way; in actual fact she was fulfilling a "need" in her.

I don't know you or your history sooo if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and tell me to shut my trap and I will; really! :o
Love
Kerrin ;)

molehills
06-09-2005, 05:34 AM
A "critical" eye isn't always a bad thing, esp. when it isn't "critical" :p

A doctor looks you over with a critical eye to help you figure out what is wrong. He isn't judging you, just trying to fix what's broken. I posted the case study to get feedback about the realities of my situation. I feel this is a safe place to do so.

Thank you for helping me see it from a different perspective. I appreciate your input.

Jerry, you're right no good deed does go unpunished. I know that but I have a hard time living with it. It's a bad thing to be driven to help people who are going to bite you and have a terrible fear of being bitten. Any suggestions? Do I give up helping or do I learn to live with being bitten?

Hesed, I really appreciate the support on that decision. It's hard for me because I love the little guy. He's really cute and actually rather smart, but they've got to want the help if it's going to do any good anyway. It might actually be better to force them to pay for Sylvan because then they might make a better effort. The goal is for the child to read well, not for me to be his teacher.

Kerrin, you say whatever you need to say. I'm listening.

Kerrin
06-09-2005, 07:15 AM
:o
Thank you for allowing me that show of grace m/hills :o

As I re-read your post and the responses, I see it is I who is off the mark here.

I guess ,something "triggered" a memory of a situation I got involved in, in trying to help a friend's daughter and I got "burned" ,when I really had taken ALL precautions to remain impartial ,at the same time offering a lot of help and support.

My friend's daughter was 23 years old!! An adult!! :( :confused:

It was really very sad. Her mother was supposedly my closest friend and her daughter was really very troubled ,( sleeping around , doing drugs ,binge drinking etc...). It would often be me she called to go and get her, or console her, or collect her when the police found her under age and drunk, pray with her ..........you get the idea.
My "friend" ,was/is a leader in our old Church; AND part of the "healing Ministry team" ,that is so big on deliverence ,confession ,repentance etc....

Her daughter struggled with "fitting" into Church ,and struggled even more to break away from her mother's influence, ( She's 25 and still living at home).

The daughter would spend hours confiding in me and begging me not to expose her 'secrets' to her mother.
I told her she needed help, and she was putting me in an awkward position as her mother was my friend.
I didn't want to come between mother and daughter.
My friend knew her daughter was coming over and calling me etc... and would say "oh,Kerrin you are such a blessing, we are so blessed to have you watching out for ,and supporting "E"..." :rolleyes:

Anyway ,I'll try to cut to the chase! The daughter called me hysterically one night.
I tried to get her to call her mum ,they were out, so I went over and spent 3 hours listening and calming her down ,again suggesting she get some medical help.
Mother came home ! Agitated ! I left.
Next day! same call, but could I take her to the Doctor?
Ok. but again I was not going to be the meat in the sandwich!
We saw the Doctor, she wanted me in there during the consultation, which I thought was very thorough and the right managment plan agreed on ,between them not me!
"E" came home with me for a coffee, had calmed down and seemed happy with the"plan".
In 'flies' mum..........I got the second ,third ,fourth degree etc... it was my fault that the DR. had prescribed medication and she didn't NEED it (albeit short term to get some counselling), and no way could she take a day off work!! ( even though that also was a problem as she was being sexually harrassed at work and left alone for half days with this guy!!!! )
How dare I?? :eek:

Her "answer" was deliverence which this young woman had already been subjected to numerous times and didn't want anymore!
Her mother demanded she leave and go home with her NOW!! :mad:
But "E" said, "I want to stay with Kerrin" ( talk some more... :eek: )

After her mother left I just said it was her choice.
she was an adult ,if she agreed with the DR. then she should not let ANYONE make her feel bad or ashamed for taking some tablets. or a day off work, until she could get the counsellng happening.
She was happy about that,and left.
Later, I got a call from the mother quizing me about the drug "E" had been put on ,to the point I said "You go and see the DR. yourself ; YOU sort it out with "E" , I was only there for support!!!! "and I hung up :mad:

"E" called me again the next day and I said simply ,until she sorted out where she stood with her mother and the influence of the Church ,I couldn't be there for her; I wanted to be , but they were making me the bad guy!! :(

Needless to say we are no longer friends, because the mother consulted the Vicar who was in the process of spreading rumours about me and my own past ,and as such, I was deemed incompetent to 'help' anyone!

So ,Sorry to make this so long, I didn't mean to . It was another "hurt" that I had stuffed away.
Your post obviously brought it all up, and that's good .It's gone now. :)

I owe you an apology.
Once again I am greatful to this Forum for the Grace and mercy extended to me (instead of offense), while I sorted it out with God! :)

THAT IS THE FACE OF JESUS!! ;)
Love and Blessings
Kerrin ;)

molehills
06-10-2005, 04:50 AM
Kerrin, you are a blessing. I appreciated your input, and I gave it some thought. You didn't do anything that required grace. I value what you have to say.

Helping people is so complicated. Deliverance comes from God, and He decides how He is going to provide it. The DR, the tablets and you might have been an important step in the process of delivering E from her mother. :D

Thank you for your posts. I'm always glad to read them.