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Voyager
06-01-2005, 11:13 PM
These quotes below are from another thread, but I felt they deserved a thread of their own. This issue has been the biggest hurdle to recovery from spiritual abuse in many of our lives.

I'm tired of knowing that I need to build safe relationships but having to take risks in order to do so and being afraid to take risks.
I am not there yet, I am still in the stage of avoiding all new relationships at all costs.
I know the feeling all too well. This is a classic symptom of being spiritually abused, so rest assured that it is not something unique with you. It is the result of years of deception, dysfunction, and codependency that was perpetrated by our abusers.

The fact is, we all need healthy relationships to replace the unhealthy relationships that we abandonded in our former abusive churches. Without them, we will remain feeling lonely and isolated. Unfortunately, our ability to trust people (healthy or unhealthy) has been severely sabotaged and damaged. Where do we go from here? Will we ever be able to trust again?

I have have found that leaving a spiritually abusive church is like leaving a dysfunctional family. We desperately need to find functional relationships to develop a healthy support system, but our trust is so shattered that it's hard to even fathom how this could happen. We thought we had functional relationships in our former churches - only to find out the opposite. How do we know that this won't happen again?

The first step in finding a cure is always to deal with the cause, not the symptoms. The cause of my dysfunction was the lack of healthy relationships. The only way to begin to cure this dysfunction is to first develop a healthy relationship with myself. Only then can I have healthy relationships with others. This will require me to begin seeing myself in a different light. I am not unlovable - I am lovable. I am not an idiot or a loser - I am a valuable person. I deserve to be treated as such - by myself and others.

I've been reading a book called "The Wellness Recovery Connection". It is designed to help drug and alcohol addicts and their families recover from dysfunction - but I am finding that it is a great fit for religious addicts too. Let's face it - dysfunction is dysfunction, regardless of what addiction you choose. Nicotine, caffeine, pain pills, overeating, drugs, alcohol, religion - all of these can be things that we use to numb ourselves and try to make ourselves feel better - but they are all only temporary fixes to an underlying problem.

The book I mentioned above talks about replacing negative addictions with positive ones. I am beginning to feel much better about myself since I started reading it and implementing some of the principles that it outlines. I am starting to feel hope for the first time in a long while. I am determined not to let the actions of a corrupt pasturd ruin the rest of my life. I want to be able to become functional again, and develop functional relationships with others. I cannot let my fears keep me trapped in dysfunction. I am sick and tired of it!!!

Anyway, thanks for listening and thanks for being there for me. You all have been a great support system for me in my voyage to recovery. I'm not there yet - but I'm determined to get there!

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Voyager
06-01-2005, 11:36 PM
P.S. - Have any of you wondered why Jeff VanVonderen, the author of "The Subtle Power Of Spiritual Abuse" is now an author and an expert on intervention and recovery from chemical dependency and addictions? I don't think it is a coincidence at all. I believe the two subjects are intertwined.

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DLL
06-02-2005, 04:50 AM
i am reading a couple of Jeffs books myself.they are excellent.
i dont trust anyone except the people on this forum, not my husband(especially him), not any of my friends, old or new, not my family and definitely not church members regardless of where they go to church. it really hurts to not trust but i think for me it would hurt more to trust then have that trust broken again. it really leaves a vacuum in my soul to not be more trusting because then all you have left is shallow relationships...no communication or real interaction, no closeness. right now, you guys are all i got. and i thank God for you. i just hope i dont turn you away too but focusing so much on me. i hope i can be an encouragement to all you in going thru this together. just dont know if trust will ever be a part of my life again.

molehills
06-02-2005, 05:01 AM
all the fun of alcoholism without the hangovers :D

I agree with you, but I couldn't have a healthy relationship with myself until I came here and admitted I'd been abused. Until I had a safe place to speak the truth, I was really struggling not to hate myself. Now I know that I can say the things I really feel without fear of being judged or manipulated, that makes a huge difference in my ability to really look at myself honestly.

Jerry
06-02-2005, 05:07 AM
Dear Donna,,,,
You will trust again,,,,,will you be hurt again????,,,,,,of course.Then you will heal again,,,,,and then trust once more.It makes absolutely no sence,,,,,but nobody ever said being human makes any sence ;)
Love Jerry

eva
06-02-2005, 05:51 AM
just dont know if trust will ever be a part of my life again.
Dear Donna,
only a month ago or so I acknowledged that I donīt trust anybody, even to my God. I found I still have suspicions that Heīll ask of me only things that hurt; I try to say YES, but Iīm afraid, and I donīt trust Him He loves me, and cares.
Now Iīm in a queer situation: I ask my Lord, whom I donīt trust, to give me a trust towards Him... :) O.K., thatīs the only thing Iīve invented...
I understand you.

Kerrin
06-02-2005, 06:15 AM
all the fun of alcoholism without the hangovers :D

I agree with you, but I couldn't have a healthy relationship with myself until I came here and admitted I'd been abused. Until I had a safe place to speak the truth, I was really struggling not to hate myself. Now I know that I can say the things I really feel without fear of being judged or manipulated, that makes a huge difference in my ability to really look at myself honestly.


Ditto !!!
As much as it hurts, Jerry is right ! :o
As Molehills says ,I too thank God for this place!!!

Voyager always ,always an endless well of wisdom like so many here!!! :)


I've now read ALL Jeff's books and some ............and I'm healing,( Gone a little backwards this week though). :( :o

((((((((Donna))))))))))

(((((((Eva))))))))) Great to see you ! :)

I guess that is what Jeff intended with this site, it would be a pleasure to meet him some day. I thank God Jeff allows himself to be an instrument for us broken and cracked pots that no -one else wants!
But, here we are all the same, but different!! :p :D

Love
Kerrin ;)

Voyager
06-02-2005, 08:29 AM
i dont trust anyone except the people on this forum, not my husband(especially him), not any of my friends, old or new, not my family and definitely not church members regardless of where they go to church. it really hurts to not trust but i think for me it would hurt more to trust then have that trust broken again. it really leaves a vacuum in my soul to not be more trusting because then all you have left is shallow relationships...no communication or real interaction, no closeness. right now, you guys are all i got. and i thank God for you. i just hope i dont turn you away too but focusing so much on me. i hope i can be an encouragement to all you in going thru this together. just dont know if trust will ever be a part of my life again.
I've concluded that the reason I haven't been able to trust others is because I cannot trust myself. I cannot trust myself to choose healthy relationships, because the last time I tried it I was tricked. I was deceived into trusting a whole congregation of "healthy" people who turned their backs on me and left me for dead. I was conned into believing that these people were the best God-fearing, Jesus-loving, honest, trusting, caring, compassionate souls on the face of the earth. If I can't trust them, then who can I trust? These people stuck a dagger in my back. They shunned and snubbed me, and went along with the game to "turn me over to the devil".

No wonder we can't trust! If these people wonderful "godly" people failed us, then how can we ever trust again? The problem is, we can't trust ourselves to make healthy relationship choices again after what happened to us. We figure that we are better off alone than to make another horrible relationship choice like that again. The fact is, the relationship with ourself needs to become healthy before we can enjoy healthy relationships with others again. For example, if my relationship with myself is unhealthy and dysfunctional, my relationship with my wife and my family will not be healthy and functional.

Our relationships with ourselves became unhealthy because of the dysfunctional, codependent relationships that we experienced in our abusive churches (which may have also been reinforced by being raised in a dysfunctional family). If we cannot learn to trust and love ourselves again, we will never be able to truly trust and love anyone else either. The problem is not external (with other people), it is internal - within us. Our "truster" is broken because we can't trust ourselves to make healthy relationship choices.

I don't mean to come across as a "know-it-all", so please forgive me if I sound like one. I feel like I stumbled onto something here that is the key to trusting again. Once we can trust and love ourselves again, we will be able to trust and love others - but not until then. If I find anything common among all of the people on this forum, it is that most of us have a very low opinion of ourselves, and we cannot trust people. I see this time and time again in all of the posts that I read here. I honestly believe that this is the biggest hurdle between us and recovery.

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molehills
06-02-2005, 11:02 AM
I don't mean to come across as a "know-it-all", so please forgive me if I sound like one. I feel like I stumbled onto something here that is the key to trusting again. Once we can trust and love ourselves again, we will be able to trust and love others - but not until then. If I find anything common among all of the people on this forum, it is that most of us have a very low opinion of ourselves, and we cannot trust people. I see this time and time again in all of the posts that I read here. I honestly believe that this is the biggest hurdle between us and recovery.

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Hurrah for Voyager! I think that's very true.

Kerrin
06-02-2005, 06:04 PM
[QUOTE=Voyager]I've concluded that the reason I haven't been able to trust others is because I cannot trust myself. I
No wonder we can't trust! If these people wonderful "godly" people failed us, then how can we ever trust again? The problem is, we can't trust ourselves to make healthy relationship choices again after what happened to us. We figure that we are better off alone than to make another horrible relationship choice like that again.
. The problem is not external (with other people), it is internal - within us. Our "truster" is broken because we can't trust ourselves to make healthy relationship choices.


I needed taht perspective ,AGAIN, Voyager.

I am so struggling with work at the moment because of the "relationships", the "lies" ,"deception" I see ..........I relate it to my Church experience and i'm getting out of control again and wanting to isolate myself AGAIN!
Because what I SEE happening IS happening!
I read a Government report last November on this facility which supports the findings I've discovered ,yet again I doubt myself to confront anyone or do anything constructive because I watch everyone "going" along with it ,and that's not me!

I don't trust me!
Will that ever change? :o :confused:
*SIGH*
When will anyone ,if ever, be honest, anywhere? :( :confused:

Love
Kerrin ;)

butterfly
06-02-2005, 07:37 PM
I Will Not Trust Churchs Nor Church People Again. I Feel I Will Trust Christians Who Have Been Abused Because They Are Hurting Like Me And Are In Need Of Love And Fellowship. Unless They Start Judging Me. Then I Will Close The Door And Walk Away. I Do Trust Five Other Christians. They Are My Support Team. Helping Me To See The Abuse And How It Has Destroyed My Life. One Is My Dr. [m.d.] He Is A Blessing!!!! :) Because Of Him I Know God Loves Me. He Helps Me To See The Lies That Were Told To Me. Butterfly