Kerrin
03-15-2005, 11:52 AM
When I started at my old church about 10 or so years ago, we had a new Pastor/vicar come and start to teach a "select" few of us about spititual warfare, evangelism, communing with God, some teaching was English in origin but mostly out of the States including some people who came out from "Brownsville" to run a series called "cleansing Streams " which involved a lot of "deliverence" "type stuff.
It culminated in a sort of frenzied mass of hundreds of us "receiving deliverence" for everything and anything!
All the while songs in the back ground claiming to be stealing from the enemy's camp etc.... It was wild!
Apparently very necessary for all of us!
Most of the churches in Melbourne, although not publicly, support this "type" of ministry.
You don't have to ask many questions to have an "appointment" made for you.
i, at the time, was coming out the other side of an extremely abusive marriage, was in fear for my life and fell into their hands. Just looking for somewhere safe, some solitude, and peace after all the turmoil.
This is an Anglican church ,not a "cult" , (or that may be debateable.)
The minister and his wife went out of their way to be nice to me, inviting me for lunch after church etc...,out for coffee, made me feel special......
Anyway i was sent on a "training" course in "healing Ministry" which was to be the focus of our church's ministry; reason? "to set the captives free....."
(I still have their brochures around...)
(I didn't actually "feel" this was our churchs' outreach, at the time some others agreed with me until they got "pulled into line"...)
the belief fundamentally is that everyone requires "deliverence" because of our natural sin.
I think ,in retrospect I was a bit of a " project" for the minister and his wife because they would often "minister" to me alone , expalining I required it so that i could be "used" by God as a"clean" vessel.
(and I had a huge amount of sin to confess!!).
Again, in hindsight it seems it was very vouyeristic now and extremely embarrassing and painful for me!
At the time I was living with a man who i loved, and he loved my daughter and I, and we wanted to marry,
I was so "convicted of this terrible "sin", and the minister didn't like him either, I ended the relationship. :(
The teaching they base their course on is drawn from, Charles Kraft, Peter Horrobin, Wagner, Liberty Savard to name a few........
I was even sent to see Kraft when he visited australia and was "delivered" of the "spirit" causing Crohn's disease........strange that I still have to take medication to stay in remission.
Anyway, many churches of all denominations participate in this teaching and have established "healing centres". all across Melbourne, including some catholic churches.
How it works:
You must sign a document confessing certain past events, ie; involvemnt in occult, sexual sin (big focus On this), meditation etc etc... ( Oh , they claim it's strictly confidential, which I later found to be untrue, strange that some seemed to know more about me than i recall telling them).
Two people "minister " to you while 3-4 others sit in another room 'interceding', they later slip a piece of paper under the door as "words of knowledge", scripture quotes and "pictures", supposedly to confirm what has happened during your session.
They , the team ministering, do things like, call demons out by name, ask if you need to "cough' or clear your throat, "feel" anything coming out of the top of your head and wave a bible over your head to "break curses"!!!
These antics are supposedly 'signs" the demons are leaving.
Generally the team, I found, weren't happy until you had disolved into tears and felt drained and exhausted.
They would encourage you to stand "in the gap' for generations, confess "familial" spirits, go back "to past generations" usually originating in Engalnd and with withcraft involvement, which you were told to renounce" At which time they would "comfort" and suggest you go home and rest. Sending you on your way feeling "naked" ,vulnerable, shamed, and with a piece of paper telling you God loved you!
And don't forget to make another appointment!!
Oh , and don't discuss with anyone!!( fear of "inviting "them" back , you know returning to a "clean" house etc.....)
What struck me was over the years the more ministry I had the more "demons" I seemed to have???
They started getting me to take my daughter who was then about 9y/o for "deliverence"!!
(they scared the daylights out of her re: The "Harry Potter", books, she won't even touch one , literally afraid she'll get demonised!!!!
Needless to say, mention the word "demon', or satan and she goes pale!!
I'm horrified now i put her through that.
When I started to question the validity of this , I was told I was disobediant, listening to "lies of the enemy" and I was of no further "use" to the ministry; I had become a "loose cannon" and too dangerous! I had, in fact become a "threat' to their "healing team"!
( all I wanted to know was how can a demon and the Holy Spirit occupy the same space???, and I just plain didn't agree with the humliation that was being shoved onto these wounded souls!!).
I have since discovered our minister used to be a Freemason, and his wife has severe abandonmemt issues after she was , "tragically" given away for adoption as a child in preference to her mother keeping her twin.
This would explain why I always felt she was pushy and controlling, he too. At least ,explains some things to some extent anyway.
They also had a lot of "personal' issues with their son and daughter, both who have trouble forming and maintaining relationships.
Anyway , this is "brief" and I was curious about any thoughts or anyone elses's experiences.
at the time it appeared "normal", now it's so "weird"!
Love,
Kerrin
It culminated in a sort of frenzied mass of hundreds of us "receiving deliverence" for everything and anything!
All the while songs in the back ground claiming to be stealing from the enemy's camp etc.... It was wild!
Apparently very necessary for all of us!
Most of the churches in Melbourne, although not publicly, support this "type" of ministry.
You don't have to ask many questions to have an "appointment" made for you.
i, at the time, was coming out the other side of an extremely abusive marriage, was in fear for my life and fell into their hands. Just looking for somewhere safe, some solitude, and peace after all the turmoil.
This is an Anglican church ,not a "cult" , (or that may be debateable.)
The minister and his wife went out of their way to be nice to me, inviting me for lunch after church etc...,out for coffee, made me feel special......
Anyway i was sent on a "training" course in "healing Ministry" which was to be the focus of our church's ministry; reason? "to set the captives free....."
(I still have their brochures around...)
(I didn't actually "feel" this was our churchs' outreach, at the time some others agreed with me until they got "pulled into line"...)
the belief fundamentally is that everyone requires "deliverence" because of our natural sin.
I think ,in retrospect I was a bit of a " project" for the minister and his wife because they would often "minister" to me alone , expalining I required it so that i could be "used" by God as a"clean" vessel.
(and I had a huge amount of sin to confess!!).
Again, in hindsight it seems it was very vouyeristic now and extremely embarrassing and painful for me!
At the time I was living with a man who i loved, and he loved my daughter and I, and we wanted to marry,
I was so "convicted of this terrible "sin", and the minister didn't like him either, I ended the relationship. :(
The teaching they base their course on is drawn from, Charles Kraft, Peter Horrobin, Wagner, Liberty Savard to name a few........
I was even sent to see Kraft when he visited australia and was "delivered" of the "spirit" causing Crohn's disease........strange that I still have to take medication to stay in remission.
Anyway, many churches of all denominations participate in this teaching and have established "healing centres". all across Melbourne, including some catholic churches.
How it works:
You must sign a document confessing certain past events, ie; involvemnt in occult, sexual sin (big focus On this), meditation etc etc... ( Oh , they claim it's strictly confidential, which I later found to be untrue, strange that some seemed to know more about me than i recall telling them).
Two people "minister " to you while 3-4 others sit in another room 'interceding', they later slip a piece of paper under the door as "words of knowledge", scripture quotes and "pictures", supposedly to confirm what has happened during your session.
They , the team ministering, do things like, call demons out by name, ask if you need to "cough' or clear your throat, "feel" anything coming out of the top of your head and wave a bible over your head to "break curses"!!!
These antics are supposedly 'signs" the demons are leaving.
Generally the team, I found, weren't happy until you had disolved into tears and felt drained and exhausted.
They would encourage you to stand "in the gap' for generations, confess "familial" spirits, go back "to past generations" usually originating in Engalnd and with withcraft involvement, which you were told to renounce" At which time they would "comfort" and suggest you go home and rest. Sending you on your way feeling "naked" ,vulnerable, shamed, and with a piece of paper telling you God loved you!
And don't forget to make another appointment!!
Oh , and don't discuss with anyone!!( fear of "inviting "them" back , you know returning to a "clean" house etc.....)
What struck me was over the years the more ministry I had the more "demons" I seemed to have???
They started getting me to take my daughter who was then about 9y/o for "deliverence"!!
(they scared the daylights out of her re: The "Harry Potter", books, she won't even touch one , literally afraid she'll get demonised!!!!
Needless to say, mention the word "demon', or satan and she goes pale!!
I'm horrified now i put her through that.
When I started to question the validity of this , I was told I was disobediant, listening to "lies of the enemy" and I was of no further "use" to the ministry; I had become a "loose cannon" and too dangerous! I had, in fact become a "threat' to their "healing team"!
( all I wanted to know was how can a demon and the Holy Spirit occupy the same space???, and I just plain didn't agree with the humliation that was being shoved onto these wounded souls!!).
I have since discovered our minister used to be a Freemason, and his wife has severe abandonmemt issues after she was , "tragically" given away for adoption as a child in preference to her mother keeping her twin.
This would explain why I always felt she was pushy and controlling, he too. At least ,explains some things to some extent anyway.
They also had a lot of "personal' issues with their son and daughter, both who have trouble forming and maintaining relationships.
Anyway , this is "brief" and I was curious about any thoughts or anyone elses's experiences.
at the time it appeared "normal", now it's so "weird"!
Love,
Kerrin