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Katie
03-01-2005, 12:13 PM
Today is the one year anniversary of my "spiritual rape."

My husband and I were elders at a church for about 6 years. We had attended this church for about 15 years. The current senior pastor has been there for about 6 years. At the time we were added as elders, there were 5 elder couples total.

Over the years, 2 of the other couples were eliminated in a manner similar to us. At the time, I wasn't able to see how wrong this was. The senior pastor was simply manipulating things to his desires, all in the name of God.

A year ago, we were called to a special meeting, where it was explained that the leadership team had problems, and we were it. The other couples had been called into this "emergency," lied to about the reasons, and asked to support the pastor in his charges.

I'll admit that I was naive. We were told that the leadership was a team effort, that open communication was desired, and that our role was to give honest input. This ended up being the charge against us. We had been sincere in giving our opinions in meetings, and we were always cooperative and respectful.

There was nothing they could accuse us of besides questioning our motives and loyalty. We had served in our role wholeheartedly, with honest commitment. Curiously, not a single person had mentioned concerns before this. There was no Matthew 18 attempt to work things out, simply a trap to accuse.

We had been frustrated with the pastor over many things. It wasn't a secret that our respect for him was almost nonexistent prior to this meeting. But we mistakenly thought it was the goal of everyone on the team to bring things to a place of working together in a healthy manner.

While we had been frustrated before, I was always willing to believe that things could be worked out. The deception and manipulation we discovered were involved in pulling off this power play proved to me exactly what this pastor was all about. We didn't see it all at once, but over a series of meetings learned that the pastor had been planning this for over year because he had been offended with my husband. This was personal, and it was revenge.

We were blindsided. I don't necessarily believe in spooky spiritual stuff, but there was a lot of negative spiritual power attached to this incident. My husband who has ongoing back pain was at the most severe level of pain he has ever had. I have never had back pain, and interestingly enough, I did for several months following the incident.

The meeting was concluded in that we should submit ourselves to the pastor so that he could restore us. That would have been suicidal on our part, knowing what was in his heart concerning us. We were stunned and confused, but we knew enough to leave and not look back. We were immediately shunned by everyone in leadership who knew what happened, including people who had been close friends for years. They still do not see the full extent of what this pastor has done.

We chose not to defend ourselves or to accuse them. Most of the people in the congregation don't have a clue what happened. They think their church is the best one in town, and don't question the leadership at all. We went from being looked up to one day to forgotten the next. Outside the realm of their group, it is as if we don't exist. I don't want to be a part of their group, but I have had trouble learning to be a "nobody."

This was the most evil thing I have experienced in my Christian life. I often wonder how they justify and rationalize their behaviors concerning us. But I know that the group dynamic is a powerful thing. I've learned many things about people and church. Sometimes, I would rather be naive again. In the end, I believe that God will work it all for good.

Willow
03-01-2005, 03:48 PM
Thank you for sharing Katie. I wish you great healing and joy in your years to come.
Willow

Kerrin
03-01-2005, 08:07 PM
Katie,
Awful experience for you and your husband,
It reminds me of what our Pastor/Vicar did to me, but more importantly ,how he "SET" up our young married youth group leaders, who like you were on fire, and doing a great thing for God.
"They" don't like not getting the Glory!!
"They" don't like the fact that "they" can't call it "their" ministry!!! All irrelevant!
They blindesided my friends too.
Don't under estimate the power of words, (ie, your hubby's back), life and death in words, and, I do believe in "curses" , to an extent! (lets not get carried away).
Have any of you read any of Liberty Savard's books?????(lot of insight into spiritual realm if interested, she was also "excommunicated", shunned and called a jezebel........)
Bless you in your healing,
Kerrin

jane
03-01-2005, 08:43 PM
Today is the one year anniversary of my "spiritual rape."

Is it safe for me to say that it is also the anniversary then of the day which began you leaving that place?

So to that end I say congratulations to you on a year of strength, courage and true spiritual growth.

They say the first year after a major change is the hardest. You've done good. :D


Jane

I am not minimizing what you have been through. It had to be terrible.

Ironically, the thing that I have been studying this year is the role of an elder. Interestingly when I read it in the bible it does not appear to be a political position. It does not appear to be a position that serves a pastor (particularly by telling him everything he wants to hear). It appears to be one of servanthood to the body of Christ. It appears to be descriptive of a level of maturity in Christ. I don't feel like you have lost your title; in fact this experience may be what brings you more fullness into eldership. My heartfelt prayers to you and your husband.

Jerry
03-02-2005, 12:12 AM
Dear Katie,,,
I am proud to be a member of the same Message Board as you ;)
Love Jerry

Katie
03-03-2005, 06:48 AM
Willow, Kerrin, Jane, and Jerry, thank you all for your kind comments. They really are comforting and encouraging.

The cost of leaving was extremely high. The church was our entire social structure. I can now see that it shouldn't have been that way. But after being involved there for so many years, the severing of all those relationships has left a gaping hole. It still amazes me that one man's evil intent could produce that much destruction in my life and end so many relationships that I thought were real.

The thing that I have the most difficulty accepting is that no one else sees or understands. For me this was the greatest disillusionment. I truly thought that right and truth always win and that evil is always found out.

I found this quote awhile back:

”Are you kidding? Evil is charming and beautiful. It makes you doubt yourself. It asks for one small compromise after another while it whittles you down. And it functions best when no one believes in it.”

Jane, we didn't actually leave until April. There were a series of meetings. Then the Sunday our "resignation" as elders was announced, the message was a veiled "Don't talk" threat. It was almost an hour sermon of how wrong it is to say anything critical concerning the leadership. The congregation was basically told to not discuss our resignation and if they had any questions to only ask the pastor, so he could give them the "truth."

We were actually considering trying to stay. But it was obvious after that morning that it wouldn't be possible. We knew we would not submit to him in any way. We couldn't sit week after week listening to someone we had no respect for. It would have been a continual poison to us, and we would have had trouble with forgiving and being critical.

I have also changed many of my views about church leadership. In that church it was very much about hierarchy, rank, and government. Servanthood and humility were not the emphasis. In a church survey, my husband and I were considered the couple most people would turn to for help. I hope that means we were being servants. I miss being needed in that way, but we are not looking to be in that position again.

I agree that elder is a spiritual position, not a government role. Ideally in a church the elders would be those whom people naturally trusted, respected, and turned to for counsel because of the evident fruit of maturity and godliness in their lives.

Thank you again for your comments. It is helpful learning from everyone else who has found themselves on this path.